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[–] 48 points 5 months ago

If it's a lane closure, yes, you zipper merge at the end-- imo, because you need visual confirmation of what's happening but also because it's predictable and usually both lanes are already matching speeds and zipper merging ahead of you. There's no need to complicate things with an early swap. Granted, I rarely see a lane closure warning more than 100 meters, if at all... in my tiny car, the best indicator that we're merging is sudden lane changes of everyone in front of me.

Where I draw the line is when there's an exit only lane on a freeway and people are zooming along and suddenly want in. Did they jump into that lane just to get ahead? Or are they a helpless victim of circumstance from the latest onramp and unable to merge until now? I let them in, but I'm usually bitter about it.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago

    I remember an article from a certain parody magazine about "the state is introducing the Velcro merge, because majority is to stupid for the zipper merge" and they photoshopped a street sign with cars in random angles honking at each other xD

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    I think people forget that nobody is racing you. If someone merges into traffic in front of you, theyre not winning and youre not losing. It's all OK. You dont have to be upset.

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  • [–] 163 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    Zipper merge is best merge you dingus.

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yep. Science says OP is wrong: https://www.acg.aaa.com/connect/blogs/4c/auto/zipper-merge-keeps-traffic-moving

    ISTR there being some indication that as speeds increase, merging further away from the "final merge point" can help, but that's for designing roads with permanent lane reductions, not for temporary lane closures due to construction, accident, etc. But, I also couldn't find that science when I looked for it.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    In Australia if your front two wheels are ahead of the other person's front two wheels, and you're indicating to move into their lane - they have to let you in. It's the law.

    Takes a lot of the rage out.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Like most things, a zipper merge works only if EVERYONE is abiding by it. Much like they tested and found out that a plane can have all passengers boarded and seated with luggage in about 15 minutes...if everyone followed the rules. But know, every damn over-entitled Karen, Jaxson, MacKhenzie and the rest of their ilk feel the rules don't apply to them.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    The issue is this:

    A) Your lane is ending. Drive to the end of the lane and then merge. Simplest reason: why the fuck would they build that much lane if you’re not supposed to drive on it? Alternate reason: you’re just stretching the traffic jam farther back where it could be blocking people from exiting or getting on.

    B) Your lane is exit only. Get the fuck out of that lane, you’re blocking people legitimately trying to exit. You’re a cheating cheater and you’re clogging the exit lane.

    C) Your lane is not an exit and you want to get into an exit lane. Get into the exit lane as soon as possible. Late merge is just going to clog up a lane and you’re a cheating cheater.

    These situations are not the same but people think they are.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah...no, I've been waiting in line for 15 min and the guy that went on the other lane to skip the line can suck on my zipper merge

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    I've been reading this for years, and the hypothesis always seems to be that zipper merging is good because it maximizes road usage. You know what else maximizes road usage? Bumper to bumper gridlock.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Gridlock doesn’t maximize it. Bumper-to-bumper at 80mph does, though

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Good luck getting humans to do that, though. Bumper to bumper only makes people slow down due to discomfort, so cramming to the front and increasing density to bumper to bumper will only slow traffic further.

    It's the same reason rolling stops happen on highways even without traffic accidents or lane closures. When density gets too high, people will slow down, and the assholes thinking bumper to bumper at the last second is zipper merging are indeed assholes slowing traffic down.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    This article falsely assumes the only options are halting traffic to wait for an opening or dash faster than speed of traffic until the end of the lane closure then just expect someone to allow room so kinda a bad explanation of zipper merge and proper driving etiquette

    Not sure if you took drivers ed but zipper merging is not zooming past stopped cars to last second dart over in the shoulder, it’s speed matching the lane you are merging into to weave in like a zipper. Crazy how even the name isn’t informative enough for people to understand the concept

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    So if the traffic is slowed down you want everyone to just move over early making it even worse…?

    No, you populate both lanes than alternate right of way.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If both lanes are stopped, sure.

    If you're zipping past stopped cars in a lane about to close, you're the asshole, period.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago*

    No, those cars merged incorrectly too early, they’re the assholes since they created the traffic first and are now mad other drivers are doing it correctly.

    The amount of traffic makes no difference, if the lane is open, fill it up, that’s the most efficient for everyone.

    Just because you made a poor choice doesn’t mean everyone else who didn’t is an asshole lmfao.

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  • [–] 163 points 5 months ago (47 children)

    Learn what zipper merging is you fuckin potato.

    Or do you want backups to take up twice as much space as they need to? It's about efficiency. If everybody zipper merges, you still get your fucking turn.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah people like this are fucking idiots. Just let the dude over it's not going to slow you down it's not going to stop you shit if it cost you 15 seconds oh my god what the fuck ever. People are fucking retarded when they think that they have the right to own a lane.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The thing is that selfish people trying to skip to the front of the line and cut in front of the people in the through-lane right behind another merging vehicle instead of taking their turn alternating with through-lane vehicles absolutely do create congestion which can back up a long way.

    Zipper merges only work when people in the merging lane aren't being selfish assholes and trying to do that.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Thing is that's exactly how zipper merge works. The people in the lane that's closing should go and continue to the end of the lane if there are more people behind them they're more people behind them. You are not entitled to your place in line there is no your place in line. There is simply traffic and you are part of that traffic. If you're not participating nicely in that traffic you are the asshole. Plain and simple that's how it works.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Let me put this visually for you, because you don't seem to be getting it.

    This is what zipper merges are supposed to be:

    (Leading up to the merge; ignore the period):

    . - - - - - - - - - - - -
    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    As you can see, each one alternates at a regular interval.

    This is what happens in reality:

    ............ - - - - - - - - - - - -
    - - - - - - - - - - - -

    The cars in the merging lane all push to the front, and try to merge in twos and threes instead of alternating like they're suppose to.

    You are not entitled to your place in line there is no your place in line.

    In a zipper merge, there literally is a "your place in line." It's right after the guy who merges behind the car in front of you. A second or third car shouldn't be forcing their way in there, because it's supposed to alternate. That's how the whole thing is supposed to work.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Zipper merging also always seems to assume that there are no trucks/buses/trailers and that everyone isn't tailgating so closely that they can read the Vin# of the car in front of them...

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    Having to come to a complete stop to let them in is why the lane gets backed up for a mile plus.

    I always leave 2 car spaces (unless a semi needs to merge, then it's 6) and it's rare for the person up front to merge in without me fully stopping, flashing my lights, and emphatically waving them in.

    The problem is that most people don't know what zipper merging is, including those who need to take advantage of it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If everyone zipper merges correctly. More often, half the drivers try to use the lane that's ending to skip to the front of the line and create a bottleneck that brings traffic to a stop for half a mile...

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That is the zipper merge https://www.acg.aaa.com/connect/blogs/4c/auto/zipper-merge-keeps-traffic-moving and both lanes should be full all the way with every other car giving way.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    That's faster for everyone though. While they're using the low-traffic lane, they aren't taking up more space in the backed-up lane. It's the people switching early that are the assholes.

    This does not apply if it's an exit. Then they're just driving in the wrong lane.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This! Also, let the motorcycle in front of you if you are at the head of the line at the light! We will be long gone before you pull your thumb out of your ass and take you foot off the brake when the light turns green

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 5 months ago (31 children)
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    That only works when people behave like civilized human beings who take their turn instead of trying to skip to the front of the line.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That's the thing innit? The line should be spread across both lanes all the way up to the point where one closes.

    The person who gets out into the closing lane to skip ahead probably isn't thinking about it this much. They're probably just an entitled asshole. But, in this case, they happen to be doing it right.

    Everyone getting into the open lane early effectively closes the other lane early and pushes the congestion further back, disrupting other intersections.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If everyone merges into the through-lane as soon as they can, then there's no bottleneck. It's only an issue if there was another intersection recently before the lane closure, but typically these are on highways with few if any intersections.

    If you have two lanes of traffic moving at a given speed, and try moving both those lanes through one lane of traffic, mathematically it has to slow down, because you're trying to fit the same amount of traffic through half as much space.

    It's like when you pour water in a funnel, the bottom is narrower so it drains slower than you can fill it.

    Or it's like doubling the resistance on an electrical circuit. It cuts the current in half.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So, "there are circumstances in which merging in advance is acceptable." Sure.

    I think we'd be hard pressed to invent one where it's superior without implying a failure in how the lane was closed.

    In the US (where I am), zipper merging is mandatory in two states, recommend ten more, and allowed in all of them.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    You're still ignoring my main point which is how many people abuse the merging lane to try to get ahead and skip to the front of the line.

    Systems that depend on everyone cooperating fairly and being patient and taking their turns kinda break down when a bunch of selfish people try to take advantage of the good faith and fairplay of others...

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  • [+] [S] -10 points 5 months ago (24 children)
  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Not beating the potato allegations.

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    Weird is weirdly spelled. That one?

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    Oh, well the teeth are the cars and the zipper is the merge point (lane closure)

    Both lanes use all available space and take turns joining into a single lane at the merge point, minimizing congestion

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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    I guess it depends on where you are.

    Let's take the scenario where there are no other cars on the road, you're in the lane that stays open driving next to a car in the closing lane, and you arrive at the merge point. In this case, you should keep going as normal, and the other guy should fall in behind you. (Ideally he slows down to fall out of sync before getting there. Less ideally he speeds up. Least ideally you both speed up and make chaos.)

    If both lanes are fully used and there's a line in both, same situation. First car in the open lane goes, then first car in the closed lane, then second car in the open lane, etc.

    Now the controversial case where a bunch of well meaning souls have lined up preemptively (causing the congestion to press back further) and some asshole just takes the closing lane all the way to the end and winds up next to another car. That car should proceed and the car behind it should wait to let the asshole in before proceeding.

    It feels wrong, but it's the least problematic flow. Effectively closing the lane prematurely pushes the congestion back further and starts disrupting other intersections

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    1 car from the left lane, 1 car from the right lane. merging together in an alternating pattern. like the teeth in a zipper. a 'zipper merge' if you will.

    you acting like the meme is the problem. the car wasn't ignoring the signs, they were using all of the available space to move forward down the road before merging into the lane.

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  • [–] 85 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Why is it always boomers that fail to comprehend the zipper merge?

    .... Is it the lead poisoning??

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because it's counterintuitive. You would think that getting people over early means traffic can just flow easier.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, but into a road that is more narrow. You can't fit twice the volume into a pipe half the size and expect the same throughput.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    You could reduce the gap between the cars by ~half.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Are you referring to stopping distances?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You said it couldn't be done, you didn't specify a need for it being safely done.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Boomer humor. Your post. It’s humor for dimwitted old “baby boomers” who don’t understand that it’s better to use both lanes for as long as possible and then zipper merge.

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