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[–] 118 points 5 months ago (1 child)
[–] 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

Ugh. Even if I wanted this product, their track record on long term product support has erased my trust. They never fixed connectivity for the Chromecast and now they've discontinued it. Why am I gonna buy something that breaks down or gets an expensive subscription in a couple of years.

Plus, if I post a video their stakeholders don't like on YouTube I risk getting locked out of every Google service including Gemini, all by automated processes and with no way to even talk to a human to explain my case. They are judge, jury and executioner within their ecosystem.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Anyone who didn't learn their lesson from the Nest debacle is a fool. I would never let another Google device into my home.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Can't if I don't have any of your stupid hardware.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Can if everyone else integrates it into their hardware (see Apple Siri integrating Gemini, and likely upcoming contracts with Samsung and LG to bake it into household appliances).

    I’ve been finding it more and more difficult to find household electronics for sale that don’t have Alphabet products baked in.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ah shit I forget about non-Google phones being infected. I've got Apple AI or whatever it's called turned off, I guess it's time to really think about the convenient-to-privacy ratio and decide where I stand.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Just wait a year or two and Google will kill Gemini on their own.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They're going to kill their name brand of "googling" things

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    I think alot of folks have been going the other direction considering it doesn't work nearly as well as the old assistant. When they pushed the new shit to the Google home devices and everything stopped working we just stopped using it and have no desire to go back.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    "Hey Co-Pilot, remove Gemini"

    "Hey Gemini, remove Co-Pilot"

    Let them fight it out. 😉

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Let them be tired then.

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  • [–] 62 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Highly recommend people leave Google services. Use Ente to store photos. Proton for email. DuckDuckGo or Ecosia for search. Organic Maps for directions. FreeTube or yewtu.be for videos. Venice AI as your advanced chatbot. Google needs to be broken up and regulated.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Never heard of Venice AI, asked it what it does different, one of the things it said was:

    I don't need to be politically correct or "woke" in my responses

    Fuck that shit

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm slowly working on getting away from Google, but unfortunately, Organic Maps doesn't offer public transit directions/schedules in my region, and since I don't have a car, that's like 80% of what I use Google Maps for.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    but unfortunately, Organic Maps doesn't offer public transit directions/schedules in my region

    It is based on data from the Open Street Map project.

    If nobody in your area has added that information, it won't be there.

    The good news is, anyone (including you) can add that information and provide a public service to the people of your area.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Coming from someone also without a car - KDE Itinerary is the best thing I've used for that purpose yet, and it's free and open source too. Perhaps it'll fulfill your use case too?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Other options:

    • Tuta for email
    • CoMaps for maps and directions on your phone
    • Nextcloud for self hosted cloud and pictures
    • ublock origin and sponsor block to browse YT in a non chromium browser.
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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Depends on what you mean by non-tech savvy. Also depends on what you mean by cloud.

    So, the simplest way to get something close to the dropbox experience is to use syncthing. Install it like you would any other program, and set it up (lots of videos and tutorials out there if you get stuck) this will then copy the folders you specify to all your connected devices. The problem is if you don't regularly have all your devices powered on and connected to the network at the same time then your best option is to have one machine left in a closet powered on and connected at all times so everything syncs smoothly and seamlessly.

    Doing that you get a cloud of sorts without having to deal with servers in a traditional sense. It also requires no knowledge other than fairly basic computer skills.

    This is cool and all, but it's limited to file sharing, to get more advanced features you need to start learning servers.

    However, there have been several projects in the last few years to make having a personal cloud easier. In no particular order: Zima OS, Open Media Vault, Hex OS, Synology OS, Casa OS, True Nas Scale, Unraid. These are all operating systems you need to install on a spare computer and leave it on all the time, but they create a website at their IP you can visit that has something like an app store where you can just add services. There are lots of videos and articles about these to help you get started.

    P. S. If you do start setting up a real server everything on it can be accessed at home without much issue, but to get it available when you aren't at home will require you to learn a bit about networking, and probably require you to get a domain name.

    P.P.S. This whole system is easy enough for beginners to get started but becomes a deep pool of gotchas pretty quickly, be ready to learn there isn't a good just plug and play solution currently, one problem at a time you'll get there eventually. I have been mulling ways to make this whole thing easier for some time, eventually I suspect either myself or someone else will probably create a more plug and play project for home servers, but it's still the perview of tinkerers for now, and likely will be for at least the next 5 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    but to get it available when you aren't at home will require you to learn a bit about networking

    And, importantly, to learn about network security.

    As soon as you open a hole in your home's firewall and/or NAT there is the potential for a bad actor to enter through that hole, if you haven't properly fortified it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    i never had gmail or used google search. but i dont save my info on anyone else's server anymore. i use nextcloud hosted on my server, i use immich for my photos. calibre server for my books. everything is mine

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Couple of recommended changes if you are self hosting:

    • Immich vs Ente. The feature set better mirrors Google's when self hosting.
    • OpenWebUI with local models instead of Venice AI - Heard some bad things about Venice's "anti-woke" system prompt.
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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Gonna be a long fucking night then.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    The HomeAssistant ecosystem is a lot neater, it lets you do what you want without billionaires screwing with your life.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So, Google is desperately trying to find customers for its AI.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    sounds like what MS is trying to do. they cant keep peddling AI forever, the dues will come eventually. right now they hype is done on 2 fronts, through conventions and through trying to push it into everything, and peddling it to gov't for the promise of SURVEILLANCE tech.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    May they never rest.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    But it is so bad. I don’t understand how with all the data they have about everyone their Gemini integrations in their products suck so much. Can’t make a proper task from the email list. Can’t find docs related to meetings. It is all literally in their systems.

    Their product managers are so shortsighted. Jam half-assed stuff and pat themselves on the back.

    I know people will probably disagree but I like the fact that Apple has stepped back on AI and slowed down. I suspect once they finally release something. It may actually be useful and probably opt-in/out. Whether the op-out is actually real is another debate.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Take Gemini out of it... Lets say you get spam in Gmail and you mark it "Block Sender".

    It doesn't actually block them, it just routes it to the Spam folder. If you're super lucky, it routes it to Trash. At no point are they blocked from sending to you.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    LOL also "All Mail" is NOT all mail. And their search function is and has been broken for as long as I can remember. How Google continues to fuck up such basic functions of their core products and yet people will shell out to use it, I will never understand.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    ain't no fucking google or gemini (except the gemini protocol, which is super cool) coming to my home

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    I mean, not my home.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    They’re messing with Gmail, Google Sheets and Calendar a bit much for my comfort, my business relies on these to work with no change to any part of the product and perfectly. Adding non deterministic tools to these is them walking on a tight rope as I won’t be dealing with fallout from the mistakes and issues caused due to Google spiking unsolicited non opt out “features” to my business workflow.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Well I guess Google will have a hard time resting then because it is nowhere in my home.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Google is a company with datacenters. It never rested anyway.

    Also, f- these “AI” (surveillance mics)

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    to be fair amazon is the same with alexa+

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    What's neat, is that I can't holler and turn off my lights anymore, but now I also need to watch what I say about our glorious leadership.

    It's honestly been a little disruptive in the car, which is one of my favorite places to be disrupted.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    cocks gun

    Get rested, bitch.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    As they say, "no rest for the wicked."

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Google's gonna be sleep deprived.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Looks like google has a lotta sleepless nights ahead.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Sometimes I wonder how much this is about a Top Down holistic strategy, or simply that every feature team in the org is adding "AI" stuff just to react to the pressure.

    Still not in my home 🤣

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Definitely the latter. I unfortunately use a lot of Google services and they are pushing AI integration in everything and making it very hard to opt out or they keep pesting you to enable it.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I won't be having none of these fuckin' Googlers enterin' my home.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    google like MS feeling the pressure of the AI bursting, trying to stave off thier decline with pushing AI into everything like MS is trying to do.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I had to install an app on my TV for the first time in ages. There was no way to proceed without allowing Gemini. The main change seems to be other speakers in the house now make comments on my app choices.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    if it's asking to be there it's already there

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Sounds like Google will never rest then, because that shit will never be in my home.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Good luck with that goofle. I have no goofle account nor smart devices.

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