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[–] 91 points 5 months ago (4 children)

They didn't teach typing when I was in school. I guess it's an assumed skill? Anywho, I still knew what those notches/bumps were for :3

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Out of curiosity, about when were you in grade school? I learned touch typing in the late 90s in middle school. I remember laminated construction paper taped to each keyboard so we could learn visually first, then had to flip it over and cover our hands to start developing the muscle memory for each set of keys.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    80s kid here, we learned on typewriters and the shared apple ii in the library. I was good at it because I knew piano and it just settled easy in my mind.

    I made it mandatory for my kids to learn because I just knew this shit would be needed. Also didn’t allow for short words like LOL until they could type it out. Daughter got to a point where her “laugh out loud” was amazingly fast and she begged me to let her “be normal” lmfao.

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    • [–] 84 points 5 months ago* (15 children)

    The best typing training I ever got was IRC. You had to learn to type fast or some idiot wouldn't know how wrong he was.

    This definitely prepared me for a career where 90% of my interaction with coworkers is via chat.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I took typing lessons back in the mid ‘90’s, which was VERY uncommon for teens to do. When we got the first online multiplayer games, they only had text chat. I certainly had the fastest, foulest mouth in chat 😂

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    There we go!

    I spent more time socializing on World of Warcraft than actually leveling. Had lots of friends, and since been happily married to my best one!

    Touch typing skills were essential, especially mid-combat.

    ...Or being the undiagnosed ADHD socialite I was, keeping like 8 running whisper and guild chats going in the game's single chat window at once... 😂

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    While I can also say IRC, wasn't anything like proving someone wrong, just keeping up with the speed of the conversation required being able to type without looking at the keyboard.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, I feel like Discord (ugh) got that way quick, too, in more populated rooms. IIRC, IRC didn't have that "quote for context" either, so if you were hunt-and-pecking the conversation already moved on lol.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, for me it was all AIM chats, though I had a couple friends who used IRC. But if you wanted to be part of the conversation, you better know how to type. You wanna make a quip? Better be quick, because so does everyone else.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Also a great way to learn Dvorak. Memorize the key combo to switch between the two depending on how detailed you need to be in telling them they are wrong, but as long as you keep making yourself spend a little more time on the less familiar layout, you'll eventually become fluent and won't have to contort your fingers as much regularly to type quickly.

    Though typing games can help, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    IRC and Diablo 2 for me. You had to type fucking quick if you wanted to say something while your character was running to the spot you clicked on because you couldn't click again until you finished and hit enter on that message lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Playing MUDs felt like an advanced typing course to me. Especially before scripts and shit became available in the front end. Running around, going through attacks, spells, changing stances, running back to town, roleplaying with other players, reading description text and needing to figure out if a had to go through or climb something and it would get real fun if someone was fighting a mob in the room you entered. Raids and stuff were just insane. Trying to keep up with everything and typing constantly without using the mouse for anything. I haven’t thought about playing those games for a long time, thanks for the walk down memory lane!

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    • [–] 162 points 5 months ago (35 children)

    Just showing off, excuse me

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  • [–] 294 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Well, username checks out.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    This guy types so much, friction completely erased the prints

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    it wasn't there in the first place :p

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    get in touch with their support if you haven't already

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think you misunderstand, i payed 10€ to not have the prints, because not only it's wrong when the layout changes (i do this a lot) but it is also way cooler looking

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I had key caps like that in grad school both in my home and school computers. Made it real awkward when friends would come over and try to use my computer for something (e.g. look up some songs to put on a Spotify playlist).

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    framework spotted! (13 pro? wink wink)

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I can handle most typing by touch but there's no way I'm going to remember the ampersand, carrot, and percentage keys.

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    • [+] 50 points 5 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    you're blind ? using lemmy ? dude please talk more , how ? heck how did you even see the image ?!

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Blind doesn't mean they can't see anything. Just that they have impaired vision.

    My mother used to work for the Minnesota State Services for the Blind, so I grew up around a bunch of blind people. Most of them could partially see. They were considered "legally blind." But they still needed tools to help them "see" better.

    That's what my mother's job did; they provided access to equipment to assist blind people in their day-to-day lives. Converting books into braille or audio recordings, supplying walking canes, tape decks, and access to other resources to help them out.

    They also gave out radios tuned to their own station, and they had a broadcasting studio in the office where employees or volunteers would just read newspapers or magazines for blind people to listen to over the radio.

    Granted, my memory of all this was back before the Internet was a thing. I'm sure there are more advanced tools for this modern day and age that help with computer access.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why call them blind then? The definition of blind says 1/10 or less of normal vision. There’s no way you can read text on a phone or computer with that.

    I always assumed blind people just used TTS and voice reading.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Blindness comes in many different forms. It's not about your vision being blurred or completely dark. Some blind people can only see clearly through tiny slits or pinholes in their vision.

    Imagine a sheet of paper that you poke maybe 2 or 3 small holes in, then hold up a few inches from your face. Those holes are all you can see through in your field of vision; the rest is obscured.

    And then there are people who need bottle-lensed glasses just to be able to barely read large 100-pt text in front of their face. They're considered blind, even though they have some vision.

    My mother had a Polish friend from her work who was like this. He had insanely thick glasses and walked mostly without a cane in familiar areas, but would have to touch your face to gauge your reaction while talking with you. Or practically press his face up against yours to look you in the eye. He had a laptop that would scan documents and display them in massive font so he could read them on the go.

    Also, one of my best friends in high school woke up blind one day. His corneas detached from his eyeballs; a genetic defect from his family. He didn't wake up in a dark room, he could still see shapes and colors. But he couldn't focus on any of them.

    I was tasked with walking him to each of his classes in school, because I had experience leading the blind. His greatest annoyance was when people waved their hand in front of his face and asked if he could see it. When he flinched (because a large blurry object came at his head), they accused him of faking blindness because he saw them. But he couldn't make out what was coming at him, he was just reacting to sudden movements near his face.

    My friend eventually got corneal transplants, which restored most of his vision. But he can never drive a car because his vision isn't good enough to read road signs, even with corrective lenses. He's considered legally blind.

    When you need to split hairs, blind folks will call themselves "legally blind" if they have some limited sight, or "totally/completely blind" if they have no vision whatsoever. But if your optometrist claims you qualify for legally blind, you're generally considered blind amongst their community and qualify for any associated disability benefits that come with blindness.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I worked with a guy doing tech support that was blind. It was fascinating. He couldn't of course see images. He would often ask me what was on the screen so he could help the caller. He used a Braille keyboard. It was awesome. Basically scroll line by line and the keyboard pops up the line enabling him to read it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    That’s super awesome. Your employer was doing a good thing enabling that

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah he was a really crazy interesting guy. At one point in time I actually let him drive my car in the parking lot because he said he had never driven a car before and he was always curious about it. Scariest 10 minutes of my life but it was an awesome blast to do that. He actually did pretty good at taking direction except for when we hit a curb because I told him to turn two sharp going around some of the berms.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Being blind is a spectrum, but even 'fully' blind people can use phones and computers with a screen reader.

    Alt-text allows people to describe images, OCR can recognise text in images, and now AI can also describe images.

    Blind people aren't helpless, incapable or dependent, like some stereotypes might lead you to believe. Many are able to live relatively normal, independent lives.
    Some even play videogames and stream on twitch.

    But some find constantly being asked the same questions and needing to inform others that they aren't incapable to be quite annoying. Especially when this sort of info is readily available online.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I looked it up , didn't find that much I didn't call him incapable , I didn't put any thing negative towards him , I was just curious !

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I never said you did, and it's perfectly normal to be curious.
    It's just that blind people have to answer these same uninformed questions all the time, and it can be tiring.

    Saying you did look it up seems worse to me than saying you didn't.
    One acknowledges a lack of effort, the other implies notable effort and failure at a relatively simple task.
    No judgement intended, I'm just trying to instill some introspection. I'll leave you be now.

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    • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    30 Years ago

    F J F J F J .... G H G H G H ....

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    • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Hopefully this is helpful.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_typing#Home_row

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I wish home row mods were people's default on top of touch typing. It's just peak comfort when combined with a layout that isn't QW***Y.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What layouts do you suggest?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't have much to recommend since I dove straight into enthium but qwerty is just such a bad unhealthy (aka unergonomic) layout that choosing any of the mainstream alt layouts will be objectively better for you and any system shold have them. Here are some general pointers though: https://getreuer.info/posts/keyboards/alt-layouts/#which-alt-keyboard-layout-should-i-learn and https://cyanophage.github.io/index.html

    The most low hanging fruit would be having the more common characters on home row. After that the improvements become exponentionally harder to get and more opinioniated since everything is a tradeoff of sorts and preferences come into play as well.

    < rant> I may know significantly more on the topic in a few months since I'm trying to design my own 1-handed layout/layers for one split keyboard half for convenience and/through independency from needing to use two hands to do anything on the system. I find it super hard to find keyboard layouts meant for one hand and even those I find are overwhelmingly lowballed garbage that simply split existing layouts like qwerty and slap a mirror layer key on it completely disregarding any and all unique needs for such a workflow. Like, ~1/3rd of your key presses should not be spent on shifting between mirror layer in a situation where efficiency is more important than ever since you are already giving up 1 hand and half the keys when opting into such a layout. There are many people that actually have only one hand and don't do it just for convenience so I'd have assumed that there would be something well designed and battletested like enthium (which is 2 handed for clarification) simply because it would be an accessibility thing but apparently not. So now I will have to study ergonomics of keyboard layouts from start to finish and then some to cover the additional unique contraints of one handed layouts. As far as my initial research went it doesn't seem like there are good layout analysers taking layers and layer switching into account which makes it even more complicated to work on such a layout. ;-;

    Regarding typing there also doesn't seem to be any controller centric virtual keyboards (or remappers) that optimise for text input speed and ergonomy on a controller. I use a basic system-level remapper to make the thumbsticks act as cursor and scrolling with the other keys be bound to given keys depending on a given workflow since sometimes I just want to relax and do something in a comfortable position but it's not apparengly a thing either. And those are just 2 of my multiple issues that are in my way of making my system feel juuuuuuust right to use. 🤬

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I know nothing about this stuff, but i guess it's very hard to make a layout for single hand use, maybe you can add some keys that toggle a layer only for the top half or bottom half of the keyboard and they will leave the layer on until another keypres

    Maybe the bottom layer could have all the punctuation stuff and the top one all the parentesis, symbols etc etc?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Okay, before I knew it I had wrote a whole essay going over my plans and whatnot but deleted it after realising I went off the rails and that I'm not even close to finishing.

    The relevant tldr is that it wouldn't work in practice and layer shifting is not the issue but the frequency of it is.

    Also yeah, simbol layers are a thing. And because it's just for convenience I don't plan to adapt the layout to work with all keyboards as glove80 does the job with it's thumb cluster (which only half of is comfortable enough to reach with my hands).

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    • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    They don't teach typing anymore. Which is like. Makes zero sense.

    I see college kids typing out essays with two index fingers.

    No one learns typing unless forced. It's super boring.

    They need to make it mandatory in public schools. Or future generations will be unable to type properly.

    I learned it back in like 8th grade or something.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    When I was a kid they taught us how to type in school. But they taught everybody how to type wrong: with your hands parallel to each other, instead of wrists straight. I nearly got carpal tunnel syndrome and had to learn how to type a second time!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    We were taught the same. With a paper over our hands so we couldn’t cheat. My hands naturally moved off home row because it felt awkward to have my wrists bent. I hate the “natural” keyboards but my hands rest like they’re designed

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I learned to keep my hands like that thanks to a really weird looking A4Tech ergonomic keyboard, then I realized I could just keep my wrists like that on any keyboard.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    I used to have one of those ergonomic keyboards at my last job. Took a week probably to get fully used to (I typed all day). But I recall liking it.

    I have small hands but even I feel like most keyboards are cramped. Especially laptop ones.

    the egonomic one felt more open and relaxed. But it was wonky to use at first.

    Was something like this one.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    8th grade? I had typing lessons in 4th!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Really depends on your age. I self-taught with my mom's typewriter when I was like 8 or 9 and then wasn't officially taught until 8th grade when computers became more commonplace in schools. Then I had to relearn when I went to school for transcription in my 20s because apparently my 8th grade teacher did a bad job.

    Love typing though, my first video game was a typing game on a floppy disk on our windows 97.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    That's actually so cool. I'm just a bit too young to have done so, but I would have loved to have learned on a typewriter. I've only ever touched one as a fun relic of the past, never for actual use.

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    • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Born in time to ask shitty questions on Twitter.

    Born too late to JUST FUCKING GOOGLE IT.

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    • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    I grew up with a computer in the 80s and for years i would stare at the keyboard while mentally keeping track of what I was typing.

    I took keyboarding in middle school and learned to touch type but it took years of practice to break the habits I formed as a child.

    Now I'll be typing something and my husband will walk in so I'll pause and look over to see what he needs. One time he said "don't stop on my account" so I started typing again while staring at him.

    I can hold a full conversation while doing this but have to slow down to around 60wpm to avoid transcribing the conversation.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    People look at me like I'm taking crazy pills when I bring up The Typing of the Dead. Literally House of the Dead with a keyboard. You type or you die. It brings that Dark Souls energy to Mavis Beacon's doorstep.

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