That's extremely troubling.
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Ouch. I thought having such great free tooling was how they came to dominate the market... guess they are willing to give that up
Uggghhh. Thankfully, I’ve never even heard of this program, but this sets a poor precedent for their future endeavors
For your specific question: Why is Linux not supported in the BASIC tier?
This is AMD's marketing decision.
Kind Regards, Anatoli Curran, Xilinx/AMD Forum Moderator
Translation, we looked at the books and thought this could make us more money.
I honestly think this is it, and it's not arbitrary. I think it's because really any build server will be running Linux (either natively or via Docker). AMD/Xilinx probably thinks "Build Servers are an advanced use case, so not covered under the free license"
Dealing with this kind of shit was one of the reasons we completely dropped xilinx. Apart from that they were very unhelpful and unfriendly.
What do you use instead ? As a student, the new prices are completely unaffordable, and I am not going to use Windows 😓
What do you mean by this kind of shit? I am in the FPGA space for quite some time now but I don't think something like this happened before. When did you leave and what are you using now? I agree with you on the support. If there isn't an (unpaid) member in the community forum or on some other platform you are pretty much fucked. I never used another vendor, so I can't say if it is different there though.
Xilinx has turned asshole against us, because their reseller misreported numbers. Our boss was fuming after the conference and told me to find another vendor.
We are now using Efinix chips and their forum and direct support is wonderful. I had discussions with their tool developers about UI design decisions that actually led to improvements. Imagine trying to get something like that done with Xilinx - they have grown too big to care unless you buy millions of chips.
That's what you get when it's not open source...
I am very much pro open-source, but these are highly specialized tools for a very niche market so it is atleast somewhat understandable. Unfortunately we are not blessed with open source toolchains like software developers even though there are some steps in that direction. Because it is such a niche market, it is like the software space from 20-30 years ago. Proprietary tools and compilers were pretty common back then and for some microcontroller architectures outside of ARM and RISCV they still are I think.
Read the entire article, despite not having heard about Vivado previously. I wouldn’t be surprised if a certain company ending in soft slop is somehow involved.
The thing that makes sense to me (purely speculative, no real info to back this) is that Microslop isn’t happy about losing money and the user base, so they are pushing their hardware partners to force users back to the platform.
Redis did exactly this back in March 2024, dropping its long-standing BSD license for the more restrictive dual licensing model, and the blowback was severe enough that the community forked it into Valkey almost immediately.
Sounds like this is probably the best approach and outcome for the Vivado community and software. The end of the article recommends either joining in the discussion on AMD’s forums (which only seems to be getting stonewalled) or joining the growing number of people on hacker news.
That's the second-best approach. The best approach is for it to be copyleft instead of permissively-licensed to begin with.
As someone who had the misfortune to work with Vivado before. I really hope that this might drive a new company/independent dev team to make something better and we get something good out of this.
I mean it is a huge loss for FOSS since it is one of the only "IDEs" (* if you can even call this buggy bullshit that*) that is free. But it really is shit.
I really liked Verilog but I could never work with it for longer than an hour before some new Vivado bug needed a restart or I got sick from interacting with the interface.
IMO it’s fair to read this as an NSA/eyes move. AMD is embedded in the western global mass surveillance architecture and by closed sourcing they can hide NSA back doors more easily.
Fact is the west is locking down all computing and doesn’t want there to be anywhere to flee for hobbyists or the Chinese. This also prevents the Chinese from benefiting from these tools if they slap sanctions on.
I would like to preface this with the fact that I hate this new change. As a professional FPGA Engineer, who has exclusively used Xilinx parts for most of my career, I figured I'd offer my two cents.
Vivado was never open source to begin with. So I don't see how this would allow more back doors to be in the program, and I'm also not sure what you mean by a back door in this context. Do you mean making Vivado install back doors into the bitstreams themselves? If so, this would be difficult to do given there are independent tools out there that allow you to verify what is in the compiled netlist (which is an intermediate step in a design) vs the HDL (Hardware Description Language, the type of Language that is used to program FPGAs, main ones are VHDL and Verilog). There's also some new tools coming out do compare the bitstream against the net list. With these tools, you can all but guarantee there aren't any back doors or Trojans in the design.
Vivado is also already export controlled IIRC. At the very least, you've always had to input your country/address/etc due to controls on it. I'm in the USA, so it's never been a problem, so I don't really know what happens for people in, say, China. It might just be for logging/tracking purposes, and then in the future it could get locked down, so you may be right on that count.
OP is clickbaiting FUD again. Classic.
What part is FUD? FTA:
Starting with the 2026.1 release, AMD is switching to a tiered licensing model. The free Basic tier covers entry-level devices but is restricted to Windows only. Linux support does not show up until the "Core" tier, which costs somewhere between $1,200-$1,800 per year.
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When pushed for a real answer, Anatoli pointed unhappy users toward Vivado 2025.2, suggesting they simply stick with it if they did not want to pay. He did mention that 2025.2 loses official support once Vivado 2026.3 ships, but that detail was buried in a thread reply, leaving users with little more than a dead-end recommendation.
They're removing the free product they offered for Linux and are sticking it behind a $100+/mo license, and the alternative option for not paying is using unsupported software and being left with any security problems unless you pay an ongoing license.
Read the commends at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615
You didn't link a specific comment, so your reply isn't worth much. The first 'substantive' response I ran across was pretty dumb, effectively saying the Linux app was costing AMD money while offering windows for free and Linux behind a paywall. I didn't care to keep reading.
So, again, what part of it is FUD?
The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified.
when AMDs actions are actually justified.
Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows?
Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD.
honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this.
Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself.
If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own.
Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther.
We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay.
It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion.
So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word.
Can you explain?
As far as I can see OP took the original article headline verbatim; the article itself does describe the exact kind of bait-and-switch model as I've heard it used: company offers open standard edition, after a while switches it to basic / 'core' offering which locks e.g. Linux access behind a (steep) paywall.
Read the comments at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615
You'll have to point me even closer because none of the comments I have seen on that post state what happened is different than what I described above?
I can see a comment stating the switch is justified in their eyes, but it doesn't negate that it is a bait-and-switch model.
Not a single one of those comments gives the clarity that you see to think that it does. There were two comments that seemed to support removing Linux from the free tier because... ? No real reason was given, even by these vague supporters as to why it should be free for Windows and not Linux.
Good to see AMD fighting as hard as they always do to avoid winning against Nvidia. Adoption of their tool that makes their products useful too high? Better put the stop to that lmao
The article is very misleading, but the real gist is that all of these AI dipshits figured out what FPGA was, and are now flooding the zone to use it. This tool has been an absolute gift to companies looking to move to FPGA for things like ML workflows, NL processing, and semantic flows, WITHOUT needing the dumb shit GPU pricing. Better results, cheaper bills.
AMD is two steps ahead of the game in these arenas versus Nvidia, and people just figured it out, so of course they are going to start charging for it. It uses resources on their end, so they need to bill for it to make it make sense. The same way every dumbass startup gives shit away to get you hooked is the way this works.
FPGA is going to usurp the reliance on CUDA in a massive way in the next few years, and they want to get paid for the upfront work they put in to make this possible.
Not shocked at all.
But then why is it still free on Windows? Remove the basic tier entirely, then.
Especially if you're correct that is a server/client system, then someone will just soon up a Docker container that has all of Windows 11 LTE and the Windows version of this pre-configured, so people can continue to use it in Linux anyway, or switch to an open-source alternative. They're already supporting and releasing Linux builds, so this doesn't seem to gain them anything and, instead, may cost them marketshare and goodwill.
I'm confused.
so of course they are going to start charging for it
It's a giant fuck you to Linux users as AMD only charges Linux users; AMD doesn't charge Windows users for the entry-level tier.
It uses resources on their end, so they need to bill for it to make it make sense
Doesn't AMD sell the hardware? Isn't it end-users (or companies or whatever) that are running the hardware? So I'm a bit confused, what do you mean by AI dipshits "using" AMD's resources -- especially when it's still available for free on Windows?
It's a client/server app at the end of the day. Free users still expend resources on AMD's end, and it's not solely client-side. If it costs them money, they will of course try to negate or recover the costs of that.
I don't know the software, but is the client/server model necessary, or is it to ensure AMD can enforce price rises when they want?
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