▲ 328 ▼ AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes (itsfoss.com) submitted 5 months ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 60 comments fedilink hide all child comments Comments
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -47 points 5 months ago (21 children) OP is clickbaiting FUD again. Classic. permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago (13 children) What part is FUD? FTA: Starting with the 2026.1 release, AMD is switching to a tiered licensing model. The free Basic tier covers entry-level devices but is restricted to Windows only. Linux support does not show up until the "Core" tier, which costs somewhere between $1,200-$1,800 per year. .... When pushed for a real answer, Anatoli pointed unhappy users toward Vivado 2025.2, suggesting they simply stick with it if they did not want to pay. He did mention that 2025.2 loses official support once Vivado 2026.3 ships, but that detail was buried in a thread reply, leaving users with little more than a dead-end recommendation. They're removing the free product they offered for Linux and are sticking it behind a $100+/mo license, and the alternative option for not paying is using unsupported software and being left with any security problems unless you pay an ongoing license. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -33 points 5 months ago (12 children) Read the commends at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (11 children) You didn't link a specific comment, so your reply isn't worth much. The first 'substantive' response I ran across was pretty dumb, effectively saying the Linux app was costing AMD money while offering windows for free and Linux behind a paywall. I didn't care to keep reading. So, again, what part of it is FUD? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -38 points 5 months ago* (10 children) The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 24 points 5 months ago (6 children) Can you explain? As far as I can see OP took the original article headline verbatim; the article itself does describe the exact kind of bait-and-switch model as I've heard it used: company offers open standard edition, after a while switches it to basic / 'core' offering which locks e.g. Linux access behind a (steep) paywall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -42 points 5 months ago (5 children) Read the comments at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) You'll have to point me even closer because none of the comments I have seen on that post state what happened is different than what I described above? I can see a comment stating the switch is justified in their eyes, but it doesn't negate that it is a bait-and-switch model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago* Wish I had time. If you care to dive in, I've provided a link to the post. If you don't believe any of the comments fit, then I guess you don't agree with the comments, and thats fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Not a single one of those comments gives the clarity that you see to think that it does. There were two comments that seemed to support removing Linux from the free tier because... ? No real reason was given, even by these vague supporters as to why it should be free for Windows and not Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago (13 children) What part is FUD? FTA: Starting with the 2026.1 release, AMD is switching to a tiered licensing model. The free Basic tier covers entry-level devices but is restricted to Windows only. Linux support does not show up until the "Core" tier, which costs somewhere between $1,200-$1,800 per year. .... When pushed for a real answer, Anatoli pointed unhappy users toward Vivado 2025.2, suggesting they simply stick with it if they did not want to pay. He did mention that 2025.2 loses official support once Vivado 2026.3 ships, but that detail was buried in a thread reply, leaving users with little more than a dead-end recommendation. They're removing the free product they offered for Linux and are sticking it behind a $100+/mo license, and the alternative option for not paying is using unsupported software and being left with any security problems unless you pay an ongoing license. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -33 points 5 months ago (12 children) Read the commends at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (11 children) You didn't link a specific comment, so your reply isn't worth much. The first 'substantive' response I ran across was pretty dumb, effectively saying the Linux app was costing AMD money while offering windows for free and Linux behind a paywall. I didn't care to keep reading. So, again, what part of it is FUD? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -38 points 5 months ago* (10 children) The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -33 points 5 months ago (12 children) Read the commends at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (11 children) You didn't link a specific comment, so your reply isn't worth much. The first 'substantive' response I ran across was pretty dumb, effectively saying the Linux app was costing AMD money while offering windows for free and Linux behind a paywall. I didn't care to keep reading. So, again, what part of it is FUD? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -38 points 5 months ago* (10 children) The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (11 children) You didn't link a specific comment, so your reply isn't worth much. The first 'substantive' response I ran across was pretty dumb, effectively saying the Linux app was costing AMD money while offering windows for free and Linux behind a paywall. I didn't care to keep reading. So, again, what part of it is FUD? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -38 points 5 months ago* (10 children) The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -38 points 5 months ago* (10 children) The part in the OP that is influencing perception by disseminating negative and dubious information about AMD when AMDs actions are actually justified. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (9 children) when AMDs actions are actually justified. Yeah, this is the part we're disagreeing on, because so far I haven't seen a real justification for why the same app is fine on windows but not Linux and is only accessible on linux through a subscription. What part of Linux specifically costs them money that doesn't on windows? Also, just because you don't like the info doesn't make it dubious. And ironically, your defense of them is dubious by providing vague responses and unsupported accusations of spreading FUD. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) honestly I would stop arguing with this guy. hes responded several times with no detail when you asked him for hit. heck im going to look at his profile and lable him at the least after seeing this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] massacre@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Is possible to label users on the web app side? Asking for an idiot Lemmy user. Certainly not myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago on piefed yes. Im not sure about lemmy. piefed and lemmy do a lot of code sharing though. i mean i think. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago Hope you find some good stuff! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) K permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (3 children) If anyone had any doubts, you've effectively admitted you're wrong. You can't even respond to basic questions about the "FUD" anyone is spreading, especially your own. Maybe try to shill in places that don't know how to ask basic follow up questions, you'll probably get farther. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (2 children) We don't have to agree on things, and thats okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) It would help if you provided more than unsourced claims and what amounts to telling me to do my own research to figure out your point. As is, I don't know what you believe past a general disagreement with basic points, only that you're apparently unable or unwilling to support it, so I have to assume you can't support it after multiple attempts at good faith discussion. So maybe actually explain why you see this as FUD, or I'm going to take that as confirmation you know your argument is wrong. At this point, I have to assume you're wasting time and just desperate to get the last word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago I don't feel like spending time on you, ngl. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 24 points 5 months ago (6 children) Can you explain? As far as I can see OP took the original article headline verbatim; the article itself does describe the exact kind of bait-and-switch model as I've heard it used: company offers open standard edition, after a while switches it to basic / 'core' offering which locks e.g. Linux access behind a (steep) paywall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -42 points 5 months ago (5 children) Read the comments at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) You'll have to point me even closer because none of the comments I have seen on that post state what happened is different than what I described above? I can see a comment stating the switch is justified in their eyes, but it doesn't negate that it is a bait-and-switch model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago* Wish I had time. If you care to dive in, I've provided a link to the post. If you don't believe any of the comments fit, then I guess you don't agree with the comments, and thats fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Not a single one of those comments gives the clarity that you see to think that it does. There were two comments that seemed to support removing Linux from the free tier because... ? No real reason was given, even by these vague supporters as to why it should be free for Windows and not Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -42 points 5 months ago (5 children) Read the comments at https://lemy.lol/post/66119615 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) You'll have to point me even closer because none of the comments I have seen on that post state what happened is different than what I described above? I can see a comment stating the switch is justified in their eyes, but it doesn't negate that it is a bait-and-switch model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago* Wish I had time. If you care to dive in, I've provided a link to the post. If you don't believe any of the comments fit, then I guess you don't agree with the comments, and thats fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Not a single one of those comments gives the clarity that you see to think that it does. There were two comments that seemed to support removing Linux from the free tier because... ? No real reason was given, even by these vague supporters as to why it should be free for Windows and not Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent [+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) You'll have to point me even closer because none of the comments I have seen on that post state what happened is different than what I described above? I can see a comment stating the switch is justified in their eyes, but it doesn't negate that it is a bait-and-switch model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago* Wish I had time. If you care to dive in, I've provided a link to the post. If you don't believe any of the comments fit, then I guess you don't agree with the comments, and thats fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago* Wish I had time. If you care to dive in, I've provided a link to the post. If you don't believe any of the comments fit, then I guess you don't agree with the comments, and thats fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Not a single one of those comments gives the clarity that you see to think that it does. There were two comments that seemed to support removing Linux from the free tier because... ? No real reason was given, even by these vague supporters as to why it should be free for Windows and not Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent
[+] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world -10 points 5 months ago K permalink fedilink source parent