Nvidia CEO Begs Execs to Stop Telling Workers They're Fired Because of AI, it's hurting Nvidia's stock price.
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Honestly I find this darkly hilarious. The circlejerk is becoming more and more obvious. I’m going to be surprised if the bubble doesn’t pop within the next 6 months or so - definitely before the end of the year.
All it took for this to happen was:
- skyrocketing energy prices
- skyrocketing hardware prices
- skyrocketing water usage
- the effective priceout of PC/homelab enthusiasts and hobbyists which will probably destroy much of the community, and thus most of the consumer-oriented hardware manufacturers
- turning the US economy into a house of cards
- sharply accelerated enshitification of all major search engines (in the interest of pushing people to use LLM bullshit for no good reason, when a perfectly suitable and deterministic alternative already existed and was deployed at scale everywhere)
- flagrantly ignoring licensing and usage terms for basically any and all open source software projects hosted anywhere on the internet
- the hollowing out of software engineering as a discipline, the collapse of the hiring prospects of fresh grads/juniors because “ai can do that”, and the creation of a generational gap in staffing across huge swathes of the tech industry writ large
- the (even more) accelerated enshitification of social media as it becomes a series of gigantic LLM bot farms talking to each other
- we can go on
What a time to be alive.
Jensen can suck my Huang.
Don't forget the open outright theft of virtually all digitized media and content produced by humanity.
If you or I do it, we’re criminals.
If you or I do it at scale and scam a bunch of Business Minds into thinking it’s the best thing since sliced bread, we’re trillionaires.
Make it make sense.
Look at malus.sh they even market an AI to steal open source projects...
Note that malus.sh is a satire pointing out something that the companies are certainly very happy about, but the real AI companies haven't been that forthcoming with the laundering of copying software through LLM.
"I used to feel guilty about not attributing open source maintainers. Then I remembered that guilt doesn't show up on quarterly reports. Thank you, MalusCorp."
Chad Stockholder Engineering Director, Profit First LLC
What if AI is already too big to fail?
- it’s rather different than 2008, because credit default swaps were just a bag holder thing, whereas these massive data centers are not only a huge amount of sunk cost capital, but also have extremely high OpEx.
- that said, I would be 0% surprised if our Captains of Industry (🥴) manage to convince the orange regime to just shell out trillions of our fucking taxpayer dollars to them because line go up
- and if they do, I hope all the little baby Molotov cocktails that will be born have wonderful, bright, and impactful lives 🥰
AI has been around since the 50s. We just keep changing what we call AI. The only difference with LLMs is this time they actually tried to sell it as a real sentient solution and it’s biting them in the ass because it isn’t any better than anything that came before and in many ways is actually worse. I feel like people totally forgot about when Watson beat Ken Jennings.
LLMs are a conversation model, they were only intended to be an interface between people and an expert system, not a magic answers machine.
LLMs are fairly useless, but the algorithms they use like weighting can be used for things like pattern matching, which can be used to replace the armies of office workers in internal control systems.
Thats not the same as the LLM industry, which is just a scam pure and simple. They need to keep accessing finance just to keep the money flowing, there is no end use for these massive data centres.
Wow I knew ai had been around for a long time but I didn't think it was that long. Color tv came out in the 50s.
What I meant by it's too big to fail was so much money has been invested into AI. I was also referencing when Obama said banks were too big to fail but that was more a satire statement.
Yeah, some of the very first neural networks were created in the early 50s. TV is an interesting example and I am glad you mentioned it. Different components of what make up (analog) TV and TV broadcasts were ready to go in the 30s but weren’t adopted in mass for nearly 20 years due to WWII. Likewise a lot of other technologies were put on hold or redirected for the war effort and computing technology is no different. This is part of why it feels like technology exploded after the war.
I understood what you meant. I was trying to point out that a lot of AI companies like IBM haven’t invested in LLMs in the same way that, for instance, Open AI has. IBM isn’t really at risk of failing if the bubble pops, as their AI models and other products have been in use for decades, but Open AI has nothing else to show for its investments and is yet to be profitable.
It is better than other deep models in some ways, but that's also not really a surprise given the huge sums of resources thrown at it. Take any technology and make it the center of a supercharged economic bubble and you'll see something amazing but unsustainable coming out of it.
Its here to stay, but we are in the "we dont know the best way to use it try everything" phase.
From my experience using it as a consumer, and writing custom agents; i think the way it will pan out is as specific tooling that unlocks things that weren reaaonable to do before. Key word here is tool. Its just a god damned tool.
We will still need to hire people, because something llms can never do is be held accountable. Someone needs to use the tool.
As far as the data centers, this is an overenthusastic bet that all compute will be rented. It wont. At best a few additional datacenters needed for hosted inference, not at the scale they are going for.
Here to stay, but the industry might collapse if they don't become profitable, and llms can become a small niche after that, made of people that pay to use or run locally
I agree we are stuck with it. I see the most benefit of AI going to businesses and scammers. Right now I don't see AI being very beneficial to the average Joe. I feel like people know how to prompt AI better than they ever have and AI hallucinates more than it ever has. People need to fact check everything it tells them.
It will not go away, but billions if not trilions of dollars will.
You can probably make a sustainable business out of AI agents! Having something like Claude Code is pretty neat. I love having it at my side. Would I pay the business rates for it? Hell nah. They need to bring down their cost, gain efficiency. Maybe increase reliability while they are at it.
There is no infinite growth as long as AI doesn't learn to act reliably, and on its own. According to experts this is anywhere from 10 to 100 years away. As someome with a CS major, I tend to agree.
Homelabs are just a bit more finicky to build now IMO, I got a thinkpad t14s gen1 with a broken screen for 100€, coming today. If I can't fix it, it'll become part of my homelab (i7 & 32GB).
“How is it possible that AI became productive and useful only six months ago, and they were somehow laying people off two years ago because of AI?” he added. “It doesn’t make any sense.”
This is very telling. Jensen is pulling this "6 months" figure completely out of his ass here, but the reason why he wants that number to be true is because it moves the goalposts. If AI hasn't actually, really, been here for even a single fiscal year then it explains away everything. Suddenly the fact that it's made zero impact on productivity, that no one is making any profit on it, all of that becomes justified. "It's still early." You'll recall that this was the narrative around crypto too. Every time anyone criticized anything about it a herd of sheep would bleat "It's still early" even over a decade into the technology existing.
Investors are starting to ask serious questions about when these tools are actually going to start delivering greater productivity to their companies. Managers are starting to get the screws put to them about why their budgets are ballooning to cover subscription and token costs with nothing to show for it. Jensen can't have that, because AI is the whole reason why his company is on top of the world, so he's trying to reset the clock.
For the record, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that AI has ever become productive and useful, but that wouldn't fit Jensen's narrative either. So instead he has to invent a world where AI is totally productive, 100% useful, just trust me! When did that happen? Oh, just now. That's, um... Yeah, that's why you didn't notice. It just happened, right before you walked in.
If AI hasn't actually, really, been here for even a single fiscal year then it explains away everything. Suddenly the fact that it's made zero impact on productivity, that no one is making any profit on it, all of that becomes justified. "It's still early."
I think you've nailed it.
I clearly remember 2023 being the year where AI and ChatGPT hit the mainstream. Looking back, nvidia's stock price had already doubled in the first half of 2023.
Crypto and AI could have been a good thing. The politicians, criminals and free-loaders ruined it.
Transformer model AI has atrocious unit economics. The only way it really works is in some kind of post-scarcity environment where we simply don't care how much it costs to run.
Crypto only solves problems it creates, or creates new problems out of the ones it solves. It's a horrendously complicated way of wasting compute power to ultimately achieve nothing.
Monero is a good form of crypto, it's ACIS resistant so it doesn't require a big server to mine them. It's also really good for anonymous transactions.
Transformers aren't supposed to be used for big problems that require too much data. But there's use cases for them.
Totally agree! They should start telling their works they are fired because of AI and NVIDIA.
I really dislike this dude more every day.
I remember 10 years ago when he cosplayed the leather jacket cool guy gamer CEO. Dude has always been a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s gross and every time he refers to people as “humans” it makes my skin crawl.
This is why people should put CEOs in a pedestal. The Xbox fan base did that for years with Phil Spencer after the Matrick era. In the end that cool guy persona lead to a legacy of buying studios and shutting them down when they didn’t meet internal metrics. Xbox was left in a dire state with his departure same as it was when he entered.
He finally took off that stupid leather jacket
He’s getting a new one made of human skin.
“Oh dear, they’re disliking us even more now, what do we do?!”
No shit Sherlock.
Oh, but "we are cutting workforce to invest in AI" sounds much better than "we are cutting workforce, because we struggling in current economy".
Or "we're cutting workforce because we're greedy sociopaths more inclined to appease share holders' betting habits interest than create a quality product that our longstanding workforce understands and can support, even though AI can't really'
That's the rub. They don't even say "we are cutting workforce to invest in AI", they say "we are cutting workforce because we've already replaced people with AI", which they have not. They're just such hype driven buffoons that they actually believe that LLMs are going to easily replace the people they just cut in their hubris.
Saying they've cut people to invest in AI is actually a little more honest because it admits that they haven't actually already succeeded.
Yeah Jensen, what else am I supposed to do with AI but use it as a scapegoat?
“It was just a way for them to sound smart and I really hate that,” the CEO argued.
Aww, poor lil' fella, tried to juice his stock by selling AI as the second coming, and now he's mad that other CEO's are trying to juice their stock by trying to sell AI as the second coming.
I really hope AI ends up replacing CEOs and upper management.
I appreciate the sentiment (Fuck CEOs) but find the idea of taking orders from an AI that is also in charge of steering the direction of the company devastatingly horrific.
Given that AIs are demonstratably incapable of successfully operating a vending machine for more than about a week, sounds like a great time to start a competitor.
One thing that academic (not for profit) ai researchers understand is that computers cannot make management decisions, as a computer cannot take responsibility when things go wrong the way a person can. This is already an issue for traffic violations for “self driving” cars piloted by foreign labor overseas.
I'm torn, because fuck the ceos... but fuck the ai... I don't want to take orders from some slopshit robot, nor these rapist criminals
Why? The AI would be a step up from the avg CEO. I mean, it’s a low looooow bar, but incremental progress is still progress
imma throw in this is a joke, cause I know someone isn’t gonna take it that way
Hope you like making paperclips while Clippy watches you and ratchets up your productivity expectations, buddy.
also a joke, but an AI with surveillance capabilities has the potential to be a really annoying boss. See Amazon drivers that aren't allowed to wipe their brow while they drive or take a pee break
Hey there skipper! Looks like your meatbag fingers are getting tired! That 1% decrease In speed is coming out of your paycheck!
I've already made a rule. I am not going to work any job that tells me when I can pee, or that I'm not going fast enough.
If all of you would do the same, they wouldn't be able to demand that of you either.
I lowkey believe that tbh. I'm open to having my mind changed though.
See, what we should all do, is just stop buying ANYTHING.
Watch the shares of every single company collapse. Watch the great depression 2 start for the rich.
Because lets be real, for the average working man and woman, we've been in a depression that gets worse and worse as time goes on since the 80s. Now lets let it affect the rich too.
Hey, if your CEO is an LLM, at least you can context shift/prompt inject/sandbox-break them for fun and profit 🥰
Rapist criminals
Damn, no chill.
When rapists and pedophiles are literally in charge, the time to chill is OVER!!!
Sure, but this feels like a baseless, distraction of a characterization here.
No. The common denominator between the average CEO and the average sexual offender is an all-encompassing sense of entitlement: I should have what I want, and you need to give it to me, and if I have to wrest it from you in ways that are harmful to you, well that's okay too. And it's not just those two groups, it's anyone who regularly relies on coercion and abuse to get what they want, right down to what happens in the home where domestic violence is the problem.
As our president himself has proven beyond all doubt, in countless acts of power combined with the sexual misuse of others, from children to E. Jean Carroll, the jump from CEO to sexual offender is really NOT the impossible intellectual leap you seem to think it is, nor is it unfitting in this context.
I'm following you. Thanks for the the note. I agree that you can't become a billionaire without "taking", I just think the argument is more compelling without this hyperbole.
Making stupid decisions based on imaginary scenarios and hallucinated situations... you wouldn't see any difference.
Management, maybe. CEO's probably no. The dream of the CEO is to eventually create the single proprietor company with a trillion-dollar market cap. No employees. No management. Just an owner and a machine that manufactures profit that he'll never have to share with anyone.
Relevant novelette: Manna – Two Views of Humanity’s Future
“I’m fucking our employees, but you’re forbidden from explaining that it’s because I’m milking their misery for my own enrichment!”
So, lie more?
Whoa. Nobody said that. Just stop paying them and let them figure out they've been let go instead of telling them. Less aggressive, more passive aggressive.
Where I work the leadership 100% tels people if they dont spend tokens they get canned. Theres dashboards and everything. I hate it but appreciate not being lied to, at least.
A pathological liar is begging other pathological liars to stop lying about people being fired due to the lying machine...
Crazy times we are living in.
The irrational exuberance is a drug and Jensen is in part one of the drug dealers who caused it.
Imagine it.
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