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While fears of an imminent coup are exaggerated, there is little doubt that Putin is entering the most challenging period of his long rule. Interviews with several people in the orbit of the Russian leader, as well as sources in the Russian business world and western intelligence officials, paint a picture of an isolated leader surrounded by an elite that is becoming rapidly disillusioned, both with the faltering war in Ukraine and the economic downturn at home.

“There’s definitely been a shift in mood among the elites this year … there is profound disappointment in Putin,” said a well-connected business leader, adding that there was “a growing sense that some kind of catastrophe is looming”.

“No one believes everything will suddenly collapse tomorrow,” the source said. “But there is a growing realisation that utterly senseless, self-destructive decisions keep being made. People who once defended Putin no longer do. Any sense of a future has disappeared.”

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[–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“There was this widespread optimism in Moscow that Trump could deliver the Donbas after his election. It has largely evaporated,” one source in contact with Putin said.

Of course there was.

Slava Ukraini and Free Palestine.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Obligatory reminder that they don't care that he started a war of aggression killing innocent people to seize their land.

    They only care that he's failed at it. The Russian people are not innocent.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Real missed opportunity to have forgone "neigbouring" and let readers decide for themselves if you were referring to putin in Ukraine or Trump in Iraq.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Historically major changes in Russia happened from the top - general public never participated in the politics

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Surely the Russian revolution involved the general public?

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Ah come on, the first 1550 days of a 3 days special military operation are always the hardest!!!11

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What's funny is that Russian trolls are gradually having a harder time trying to spin the increasingly losing war in Ukraine. They are running out of creative heads to write scripts to read from!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I've recently heard from one of them that they could actually win the war in a couple of months but they intentionally chose to make it last because it boosts their gdp. Scarily I've heard that from a friend who's far right and eating up Russian propaganda 🙁 I fear for the next elections in my country and for Europe as a whole.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    they could actually win the war in a couple of months but they intentionally chose to make it last because it boosts their gdp.

    It is literally a cope. That probably applies two years ago when businesses had to increase wages to attract more workers, as many people were sent to the frontlines. Of course, ordinary workers are all to happy with the increased income. But now, the Russian economy is overheating and with rising inflation and businesses closing because of increased expenditures, this negates the increased wages of workers. Russians are gradually opening up more to express frustration because of worsening cost of living crisis and heightened censorship. Putin's approval ratings have been slipping faster than witnessed before.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Oh yeah for sure. It makes me rage though that some Europeans gobble up their bs. Their disinformation campaign, and financing of far rights candidates throughout Europe seems to be rather effective at obtaining moral support and crippling the EU.

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  • [–] 119 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    It'll mean something when they actually do something about it. Everyone grumbles about shit.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I’ve been hearing about how Russia is about to collapse economically, lose the war, and watch Putin die from cancer for… years now. It’s just clickbait at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Most people want instant gratification and the media knows it. The fact is that most institutional collapse don't happen overnight, but a slow burn one. Russia is indeed losing economically from the war, but it will be like with USSR when the war in Afghanistan slowly drained Soviet coffers. Although in my opinion, the consequences could worse than the aftermath of USSR's collapse. China will vassalise Russia, which is contrary to the aim of Putin in making Russia an independent major power.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    While you’re right that these things happen over time, there are often sudden watershed moments where the change becomes much more obvious than before, and those can precipitate more sudden actions to follow. Not everything is a slow forever burn with slovenly people like me yawning on the sidelines crying “borrring!”

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If there’s a country Thats more servile to their criminal president than America it’s gotta be Russia. This is like the articles that talk about trumps base turning on him. No they’re not

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    This is like the articles that talk about trumps base turning on him. No they’re not

    We get the "Putin about to be toppled from within" article every couple of months going back 20 years. It's just a thing Western Media likes to print.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, if it drops from 80 to 75% approval it is "turning on him". Also, meaningless.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    The vast majority of MAGAs would support Trump all the way to nuclear war, not because they actually support a nuclear exchange but because they're so brainwashed that they haven't thought about it.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Just watch the Russian victory day military parade from earlier this month to see how “great” things are going for Putin and Russia.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    oh the russians are in a MOOD. you tell him, girl!

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    The only fucking thing that is disturbingly functional is the rat bastard's propaganda machine.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have been reading this article for twenty years

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    From reading ISW, my impression is that Putin is a moderate in Russian politics.

    Yes, many hate the war and his dictatorship. But there are also some in Russia (including potential successors) that are more militant than Putin, and think he held back too much, that he’s not nationalist enough.

    He keeps these people in line.

    …And it makes me afraid of who might take his place.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Whoever takes his place will not have such a strong grip on everyone, so there will be a massive internal fight for power.

    This is what all those Freedom of Russia legions are preparing for.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    the ones who arnt defenestrated that is.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    What's your opinion of the tyrannical despot, oh you find him to be a disappointment, is that it, you couldn't conjure up some more evocative language for the headline could you, no, just mild disappointment, oh ok it's profound, I guess that's a bit better.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Weren't there rumours of a general and a possible coup a couple of weeks ago.

    I assume he fell out a ground floor window and died from the fall?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Wagner Group Rebellion

    On 23 August, Prigozhin and nine others including Wagner co-founder Dmitry Utkin were killed in a plane crash as his private jet traveled from Moscow to Saint Petersburg.

    First rule of a coup... Burn the ships.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    No this was more recent, it was just before the parade the other week

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It was about the ex-minister of defense, Sergei Shoigu.

    This particular rumor is quite dubious, however. He no longer has much political power, if any at all, or resources after his demotion, so it doesn't make a lot of sense. The rumor was questioned not only by the original article (as far as I remember) but also by the experts and russian opposition.

    The part about Putin worrying about his safety, however, feels accurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ultimately you don't need much more than loyalty. If enough of the top brass are willing to follow Shoigu, his demotion won't matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I believe his clan is basically demolished by now. He does not protect his people. My guess is he does that to protect himself from a lawsuit, which is rumored to be prepared. (aka you do whatever you want with my people, in return you leave me where I am)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    I'm sure putler holds everything with iron grip, so mood of general population doesn't matter much. I just hope that FSB starts rebelling against him.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    If Russia turns on Putin, he is cooked.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's been 26 years. I think it's fair to say he's an active participant to creating and managing a culture that keeps him where he is, rather than merely being the guy the wind blew in.

    And, I'd argue that started very very earlier. He false flag bombed some apartments pretty early on.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    To my mind, Russia is just ahead of the curve — it’s a country that underwent wholesale collapse in the 90’s and was ultimately stabilized by Putin and his oligarchs molding the ruins of the Soviet empire to their benefit.

    Now the US is teetering on collapse as well, with dollar hegemony drawing to an end and global financial markets in some kind of a hissy fit to reshuffle wealth before the music stops for the AI bubble (and ultimately the real economy crumbling from climate destabilization).

    Elon Musk soon becoming a trillionaire is the fourth horseman of the capitalist apocalypse. I have very little faith in the reasoning of anybody who cannot see that a failed car salesman and notorious lunatic being the richest person in the world – by a wide margin – is a sign of an economic system that is profoundly unwell.

    Sadly, I think Trump and Putin may be previews for what’s to come when the oligarchs of world use the chaos to impose a new economic order, based on AI surveillance and severe policing of those not ”loyal” to the nebulous interests of the government(s). To my mind, it’s unlikely to be harmonious or pleasant to those in the ever expanding, bottom rung of societies like that.

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  • [+] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    Culture is the aggregate of about 1 billion things.

    I hear you when you're saying there isn't a "try this 1 simple trick!" Fix.

    But just because something isn't "fixed" doesn't mean it's not "better" or "getting better" or at least "not getting worse as fast". Position, velocity, acceleration.

    It's a great start. Why concede defeat before the game even begins?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm not sure which version of "red scare" you are referring to, but I know how nice most Russians are. Putin & his oligarchs are & have always been the problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Better late than never?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    Delusional gaslighting

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    [–] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Imagine waiting this long to be disappointed in putin

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    “No one believes everything will suddenly collapse tomorrow,” the source said. “But there is a growing realisation that utterly senseless, self-destructive decisions keep being made.

    Imagine waiting this long indeed - I worry how long the billionaire class will keep the Republicans in power.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean the Americans take their time with Trump, too.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    After slipping, Putin's popularity is still higher than the highest approval rating Trump has ever received. Admittedly I don't know if those approval numbers are to be trusted but that's where it stands.

    Trump has always been unpopular but the duopoly and minority rule are what allow him to stay in power.

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  • [–] [B] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    He's only mortgaged the entire youth and future of the country for virtually nothing in return, while also considering opening new warfronts

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    Pootin and Drumpf are interchangeable at this point.

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