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Chinese EVs take the world by storm — except in the United States (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] 66 points 6 months ago (3 children)

We will get Chinese electric cars in the USA when Xi pays Trump more to bring them here than Elon pays him to keep them out. He already laid the groundwork by systematically kneecapping domestic electric programs via his signature racketeering style, knowing he would make more money in the long run fire selling our car market to China than he could ever steal from the domestic market.

Ever been to a Goodwill Bins store? The Art of the Deal was forged in the fetid pressure of the piss-soaked remains at the bottom.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The issue is that US car mfr execs will get less bonuses if they choose to compete with BYD. Its easier to tariff Americans than give a few CEOs a salary cut.

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    • [+] 72 points 6 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I'm so confused. I thought the foundation of Capitalism was free market pressure. Doesn't restricting what people can buy and where from kind of undermine the entire ideal?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Well I see where your confusion comes from. You thought the USA was capitalist, but the reality is that America is VERY socialist. You can have it all in the USA, as long as your in the in group. And by in group I mean you must have 2+ million dollars, once u are elite rich you unlock the socialism in USA and get government contracts, restrictions that put you above the competition, bail outs and safety nets out the wazoo if you mess up, the best health care in the world etc. You must be more like me, part of the serf class that gets the "pleasure" of making all this possible with poor wages and taxes that find the corporate machine.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, but the counterpoint claim is that Chinese products are not competitive on a free market. The TEMU shit is a good example of this claim being true. Whether or not the Chinese government is paying for infiltrating the Western markets by dumping prices is one thing, but their lacking safety quality control and slave like working conditions are indisputably true. We should not accept products from China that do not produced under the same standards as our own.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    lacking safety quality control and slave like working conditions

    Boy it's a good thing American companies haven't all moved their manufacturing overseas to take advantage of those exact conditions, pocketing the profit while enjoying protectionist laws like the one discussed here. That would make us look really silly.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I see... So the American companies like Apple, Nike, all major clothing brands etc that make use of the very same somehow aren't able to bring their prices down? I fail to believe "quality control" is enough to justify it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Both Apple and Nike are made in China.

    I'm just explaining why domestic production of junk in EU and USA is usually more expensive than similar functioning junk from China.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    The foundation of capitalism is Profit is King.

    The free market, aka competition, is the least profitable method of production for a company. It's terrible for your bottom line. Profit is the only thing that matters, and specifically Profit by the Metric evaluated by those with the purse-strings; i.e. in the US this is profit per quarter.

    'Free Market' economics is not only not limited to capitalism, capitalism is inherently antithetical to competition and the free market and will always seek to eliminate it entirely.

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    • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    America: capitalism good, competition bad.

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    [–] 18 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Can I get an electric vehicle without giving up my privacy or autonomy?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Possibly soon-ish. The Slate Truck has nothing in it to track you. … it doesn’t have much in it at all. Which makes me love it more. https://www.slate.auto/en

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I really hope the slate works. A no nonsense EV (or really any car) is so appealing. I just worry that it's cost will end up pushing people away. They were really banking on the EV tax credits to bring the "price" down

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Not in the United States, no

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Pretty important reason to not switch to electric if you ask me.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Older cars are dying out little by little in both streets and junk yards. Spare parts for them won't be manufactured forever either. This is a problem that has to be legislated away or barring that, have a big enough hacking industry to work around these things.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'd like to say just snap any antennae in the vehicle. Or, Faraday cage it. Or if you're really creative custom car OS. TempleOS comes to mind.

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    • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    You mean except in gilliad?

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    [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Just a friendly reminder BYD defiantly put an Elon style god mode and wireless networking into these heaps.

    Here's hoping the backdoor is exposed in a way that is funny like bitlocker and not tragic like the CCP ripping off the CIA

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    • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    They’re in the US just private labeled and “assembled in US”.

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    • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    To no one's surprise...

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Funny how American mega corps force their way into developing nations using political bullying and destroy these nations smaller businesses with uncompetitive practices but they don't want to risk competing with any foreign company on their own turf

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    [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Bring the BYD yang yangwang u7 to canada please...

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I just came from test driving the BYD seal and I understand what they mean. Quality wise its simply the best EV maker

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    • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I'd be as concerned about BYD reliability as I would be with Tesla. And, Tesla isn't great.

    With consumer product competition being a race to the bottom for nearly every product now, I think my concerns are valid.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Al my friends and I have BYDs. 100k km each of us and 0 issues. Heck in fact there are a few ones out there with almost 1million km and still going.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I can find fault in any product made so when someone says “0 issues” it really discredits them in my opinion.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    The most common issue for BYDs specifically is tires that need to be replaced more often than non-EV drivers expect and optional safety features usually missing from the lower end models.

    Most EVs are dead simple compared to ICE cars; when you have literally 100x fewer parts there is a lot less to go wrong. This is especially true when you're not trying to introduce FSD or other superfluous features because you want to be a 1980s cyberpunk villain industrialist.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I don't know why people keep down voting this.

    They've found subhuman slave like labour conditions both in the factories in Hungary and Brazil.

    Their tech is great, but no one should support any companies that violate human rights. PERIOD!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    IKEA and Nestlé have abhorrent US business practices. It's a disgusting display of orientalism, and these practices are illegal in China.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Nestle is one of the worst companies in the world. They are responsible for the death of tens of thousands of children in Africa, droughts and a lot more shit.

    I hadn't heard anythink about Ikea. Mind sharing? I though they were pretty good, being a non profit and investing in climate change.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I can't remember everything exactly, and memory holes are sadly real, mostly due to things like https://www.reputationsciences.com/reputation-management-definition-important/

    But labor abuses follow this company.

    https://www.ufcw.org/press-releases/ikea-usa-charged-with-violating-federal-labor-law/

    I can't vouch for the veracity of other accusations, but they are there:

    https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/business-ethics/resources/ikea-case-one-companys-fight-to-end-child-labor/

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Who owns the hungarian one? I haven't heard about it.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Don't get all high and mighty. Companies making cars in the USA have been busted numerous times having children as young as 12 working in the factories.

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  • [+] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That’s just how threads go on forums like this. People see your original comment, but replies you make to other comments may get buried. If you want everyone to see your other comment, make it an edit to your original.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    just modeling their behaviours on the likes of Nike, Apple etal.

    when ipads were being assembled in India and workers were throwing themselves off the roof of the factory from stress, the soltion was ...to install nets

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Like the US factories that have mandatory overtime and if you don't meet the requirement you get fired? 6-7 days a week and 10 hours a day.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Source?

    Edit: Just for clarification, "trust me" is not a source.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I have worked in US factories. I got a write up for missing three whole days of mandatory seven day, ten hour weeks, with a doctor's note. I was fortunate enough at the time that I found a job elsewhere on five day weeks that paid more on that same day because I walked out the door without a meeting, let alone signing anything.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Got any source on that? The EV lines are nearly 100% automated.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Got any source on that?

    Something something Xinjiang.

    Something something under Communism, no freedom

    Something something I trust the Freedom Institute For Liberty And Democracy a bit more than your Wumao ass, you CCP shill.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I've test driven 4 different chinese brands for shits and giggles... they drive horribly! They lack the most basic features like single pedal driving, the thing EVs are known for?

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    • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Remember when Gorbachev visited a supermarket and “it led to the downfall of the USSR.”

    We can only hope that Trump will visit a Chinese EV lot and realize the superiority of the Chinese-Communist economy and way of life.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Trump is only interested in Trump. Trump goes to countries to cut deals for himself. Trump is only interested in making money for himself. Trump literally said he doesn’t think about Americans at all. He said finances but we all know what he meant. He doesn’t care about Americans. He only cares about himself.

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    • [–] -3 points 6 months ago

    biden needed to protect the nazi elon's business interests. We had to have tariffs.

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    [–] -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Dunno about you, I wouldn't own a Chinese car until they start building them as reliable as a Honda or Toyota.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Here's the rub, EV engines have far fewer moving parts and are extremely reliable.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My work just got a fleet of electric iveco vans and they are shit. Constantly breaking down, having battery issues, fatal error messages all the time. Seems like maybe it's more software issues than hardware, and they're lovely when they're actually working.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I generally shop for reliability and longevity also but

    1. EV inherently fewer things to go wrong
    2. Where’s your price threshold? What if you can get two sketchy cars for the price of that Honda? Three?
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