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[–] 75 points 5 months ago (39 children)

If this is a more complicated version for you and you want a quick and dirty one, just disconnect the fuse marked DCM in the fuse box under the steering wheel. This will kill it's power, however there is a built in battery in the DCM module that will take a few days to die. This does cause the microphone to not work as well, but its an option. I did it when I bought my '21 RAV4 Hybrid over 2 years ago and it hasn't caused more issues than the microphone not working.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (31 children)

    Why does a car need a microphone?

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    For voice calls with your phone, some cars have voice activated features, etc.

    It's all crap I don't need.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    My sentiments there. I was wracking my brain trying to find a use case where I would actually need my car to hear me, and I now miss my '86 SAAB 900 SPG

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (9 children)

    Yes, and many regions currently ban any phone usage while driving, including taking phone calls. A hands-free system makes this task much easier.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (8 children)

    but my phone microphone can be used during a call with car audio

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Why don't you stick your phone in your pocket or a cupholder and then make that phone call.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    it's mounted on the dash

    you're really not getting the whole "car speakers, phone microphone" setup, are you

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    in which places is a dash-mounted phone illegal?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    New York and California, to name a few.

    But that's beside the point. YOU are allowed to use YOUR phone microphone if YOU want. And in that same vein, OTHERS are allowed to use THEIR built-in hands-free systems. You don't have to like it. But acting like a gatekeeper and soapboxing over it is just weird.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (12 children)
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    I suppose, though a BT headset seems less intrusive

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    It is against traffic laws to be wearing anything on your ears in many places. I got pulled over in Colorado in around 2010 for having one ear of a wired headset on. Didn’t get a ticket, but still sucked.

    It’s something about being able to hear sirens and stuff around you. It’s dumb because people will blast music as loud as they want but having one ear covered gets you in trouble.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)
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    Deaf people spend their entire live deaf and they adapt. They don't suddenly become deaf when they start driving.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Agreed. That sounds like needless legislation. Especially considering that there have been studies that show that "loud pipes DON'T save lives." The interior of modern cars are so soundproofed that most people won't hear those really loud motorcycles until they are right next to them. Same for many sirens I would wager.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    More to do with the Doppler effect than anything dealing with sound deadening. You also don't point the pipes the direction your going .

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    So my mom can call me because she's lost, but doesn't want to stop to check her Google maps because she's in a "dangerous part of town" (downtown Seattle).

    (My mum's not a bigot btw, she just lived in a village of 1000 people until she was 29 and anywhere with more than 20 people at once makes her anxious. Costco trips also have her on alert like she's part of Seal Team Six)

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    There are a number of writups online, but basically you disconnect the antennas at the head unit, and replace with these. Without them there is no resistance so the system knows things are wrong (and damage can be caused), while these fool the system into thinking there is no signal.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    To kill the antenna with these you need to pull trim off the car to access the antenna plugs. Pulling the fuse takes 30 seconds and doesn't require tools unless you have fat fingers like me and can't grip the fuse to pull it.

    Also, this could kill your FM/AM radio access depending on how things are wired and that may not be for everyone.

    Good to know these exist though

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    To kill the antenna with these you need to pull trim off the car to access the antenna plugs.

    Is that supposed to be.....hard? I've removed trim panels from so many different cars, it's such a trivial thing that I don't even think about it anymore. 99% of trim panels are held in with plastic clips, you just grab it and tug a bit harder than normal. Pops right off.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Thank you for posting this. These devices are getting out of control. They are marketed as a convenience to the driver, when in actuality they are capturing and selling your location and driving habit information to data brokers and insurance companies. Sometimes dealerships will even add an aftermarket tracking device to their vehicles without telling you. I removed one that I found in a Crosstrek I bought last year. The device I removed was made by iKON Technologies, and is 'intended' to be used for lot management at the dealership. The dealership tried to sell me an overpriced security plan associated with the GPS tracker. I declined. They left it on anyway. What they don't tell you is that iKON Technologies installs them at no cost to the dealership, and that the tracker is used for repossessions and capturing data to be used for targeted marketing or sell to data brokers. Some devices have the ability to inhibit your starter and ignition system like the one in this manual.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How is that in any way legal where you are?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    and that the tracker is used for repossessions

    The only dealers that use those kinds of trackers are BHPH lots, or dealers who handle a lot of high-risk customers.

    It's still shitty, but the contract you sign when you buy one of these cars absolutely does state their usage.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    This YouTube video includes footage from a video call with company representatives for iKON Technologies. Their products are definitely being used for more than theft recovery. There is also a Google spreadsheet in the video description with participating dealerships. Thankfully their products are easy to remove. The device in my car was connected to the battery and ziptied to one of the leads to the battery.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota.

    that is so fucking insidious

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    But one can also disable bluetooth tethering?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Can you use the phone to only allow Bluetooth media but nothing else?

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Very cool. Passing this on to friends and family with the RAV4.

    This makes me feel better of buying a new Toyota in the near future.

    Dumb question if the modem is removed, why need to remove the GPS?

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 5 months ago

    Dumb question if the modem is removed, why need to remove the GPS?

    The article says that while not needed, it helped with some bugs when using a phone as the navigation device.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    If you go to the dealership they'll get all your data that's stored locally. I imagine an independent shop using Toyota's software will probably do the same thing. Also buying a new car lets these companies know that you're okay with having your right to repair be taken away since this is the industry practice. New cars also have massively higher yearly registration fees and parts are more expensive to replace and lots of computers in the cars do have issues.

    Just get an older car. Early 2000s. The 1.9ALH diesel in VW Jettas can be tuned to get insane fuel economy, up to ~60mpg. What do you really need in a new car that can't be installed in an old car? Fuel economy, sound deadening, double din Bluetooth carplay head unit, etc

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    Back in 2009 I got a brand new Honda Fit (Jazz in other markets) 3 weeks later I got into an accident and the car was written off as totalled because the body design had changed that year and no parts were available yet.

    Sometimes the parts are expensive because there are fewer parts on the market when the car is new.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh for sure.

    It's the spouce that needs convincing. I won't sell my early 2000s for this exact reason. Insane MPG no electronic bullshit.

    We need something bigger with 3 rows for the kids as our two row is just way to small. Try and convince them to find something old, reliable and data gathering free is a challenge.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    GPS does not need the internet to operate (atleast it can send requests for positioning data). Although location accuracy can be improved if you combine things like triangulation w/ cellular towers and wifi connections.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago

    My wife is worried (and so am I) about getting anything newer than like a 2016 for this reason. I'm glad we're able to rip that shit out of newer cars

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Just gonna keep fixing my 19yr old Toyota until I can't.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I've thought about making a business that makes drop in electric kits for popular vehicles. So you could take an older worn out vehicle and refresh it with full electric. It would probably cost $20k or so, but that's much cheaper than a new car.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There are not enough people around that would sink that much money into an old vehicle.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    It depends, if you watch Dave's Auto Center people will sink that much into just an engine for an old truck. If fuel prices go up and demand for used evs goes up then I could see it as a solid alternative. I would have to target the most common vehicles that are currently on the road and make universal motors and smaller battery segments so that they could be packaged for different vehicles using the same parts.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Fucking brilliant. We need much more of this--more public awareness of this type of hack.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    FYI, toyota puts the part numbers on the connectors if you wanted to DIY this. Corsa Technic and Ballenger Motorsports will probably have the connectors. If not, you can get the shells and pins from Toyota once you know the part numbers.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I did something similar to a 5th gen camaro. It was much easier. Take out the cell modem unit, open the case, pull out a physical hardware pin bridge that connected it to the OnStar unit. Done.

    The only thing I lost was an in-dash compass heading.

    The modem was 2g so its dead now anyway, I suppose I could put the bridge back and get the compass. I won't though, that takes effort and road signs have directions on them. There is always the sun too.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think my next car purchase will be contingent on their disabling this for me before purchase. Just sayin

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Great write up. Something I've thought of doing many times with my Honda.

    The plugs will only fit on the correct wires, there’s no way to get it wrong

    Haha, bet I could find a way to mess that up.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Anyone know if this possible with hyundai kona 2024?

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    I wonder if there is an equally in-depth info for the 2004 2024 4Runner. Have someone else who’s totally nontechnical who wants this done.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    The 2004 4Runner never had any sort of modem, and only the Limited models had GPS - but that's purely a receiver for navigation and doesn't actually transmit anything.

    This level of connectivity is a relatively recent thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Sorry, slip of the finger while distracted. I meant the 2024 4Runner.

    Edit: jeez, my fingers are potatoes today.

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