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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

I wish they were wrong that it was a big political or ideological divide, but here we are.

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  • [–] 147 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    must consider whether the displayed flag or banner illustrates or shows someone’s opinion, emotions, beliefs, or thoughts regarding politics, economics, society, faith, or religion.”

    So that means nothing about Christianity then, right?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm pretty sure Jesus would be on board with the "everyone is welcome" message.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Actual Jesus would be in CECOT by now.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think they would have just murdered him again, tbh.

    Although when Jesus comes back he's supposed to be wrathful, so he'd probably kill all the Christians who use his name for hate as his first act.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He needs to hurry the fuck up and stop taking the scenic route back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    While there are zero prophecies left to be fulfilled, AND like five of them have been fulfilled in the last decade, if there is a supernatural Jesus to come back, we still have a long way to go to match the worldwide suffering seen in Revelations before Jesus's return.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Not exactly wrathful, more like, he shows up when there's a lot of ambient wrath going on. Mainly he just resurrects all who died in faith and sets up a judgment throne.

    And he won't kill them, just they don't get heaven. The sheep and goats judgment. The section that "What you have done to the least of those, you have done to me" comes from there.

    Honestly I think the existential suffering brought about by realizing that they have no place in heaven after a lifetime of religious lip service is FAR more poignant than any death could be

    Not that most lemmings think this is anything more than a long repeated fairy tale, granted

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Time for the sartre quote again.

    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

    The assholes know what they are doing. They know they are hypocritical. They don't care. You cannot engage in conservatives/anti-semites/fascists/et al with reason because they will not argue in good faith. They are bad people. Selfish, fearful, people.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Seems to me like flags are usually political and/or ideological in nature... That's, like, one of the main reasons we use flags at all. The US flag is political, the Idaho flag is political, banners that say "Merry Christmas" are gonna have to be left out of schools, even "Happy Birthday" is going to read like religious favoritism to someone like a Jehovah's Witness. Especially if the Christofascist snowflakes can't even be bothered to put up with "Everybody is welcome here". Why would anyone else feel inclined to put up with their shit?

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    [flag] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun

    a piece of cloth, varying in size, shape, color, and design, usually attached at one edge to a staff or cord, and used as the symbol of a nation, state, or organization, as a means of signaling, etc.; ensign; standard; banner; pennant.
    
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Remember when schools were having a War On Christmas and removing all signs on Christianity and Christmas displays? So much that South Park made strawmen of the schools to make fun of. Pure projection.

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  • [–] [S] 258 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I think it's really weird that inclusion is political.

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  • [–] 109 points 1 year ago*

    Well, duh. By saying "All are Welcome Here", we are excluding people who want to exclude people. And they are the ones in charge right now. So simply saying "everyone is welcome" is now subversive, against Presidential policy, and anti-American.

    Your citizenship is hereby revoked, ICE will be here soon to ship you to Gitmo CECOT South Sudan Alligator Auschwitz

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    That actually isn't weird at all. People treat "politics" as an epithet for "controversial politics", but in reality, almost everything in society is political – relating to power structures, the distribution of status and resources, and how those factors are determined. What you're getting at, of course, is that Republicans have shifted the Overton window so disgustingly far to the right that "everyone is welcome" in a classroom is treated as a controversial ideology.

    We're constantly conditioned to think of the status quo as apolitical in nature (it's just "normal" and the people who want to change it for better or worse are "the politicals"), but it is and always has been, and it's why we've needed so desperately these past several decades to remain politically engaged to protect what we want and to change what we don't. Now? Who knows, but we still need to try.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Great comment. Taking it further, making "politics" inherently negative has a lot of propaganda value to power. The people in charge generally want to defend the status quo, so they'd rather depoliticize the populace. This is why you get such strange contradictions as the people in charge constantly attacking "political elites" or "the swamp" or whatever. They're trying to discredit politics itself to consolidate their power. Similarly, when they do want to change something, they say "it's not politics; it's common sense." They want a population that feels like politics is something inherently dubious, or at least just not worth their time and effort.

    Inclusion has always been and will always be a political project, because there are people who want power and who will use it to exclude people for whatever reason.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think you mean that it is weird that inclusion is controversial.

    To me, inclusion is the foundation of politics. It is the uniting idea that people with no blood relation - strangers - can come together to build something that benefits all.

    Trump and his gang want to move on from politics. They despise democracy and disdain a system that benefits anyone who isn't part of their exclusive circle. And for the record, their circle does not include Trump supporters - the maga-hat wearing rubes are just the tools that Trump is using to monopolize wealth and power for his immediate friends and family.

    When Trump has achieved what he wants, there will be no more politics in the USA. There will only be the Great Leader and those who exist to serve him.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It always seems odd to me that "politics" is often conflated with "nationalism" or just plain government. That's not really what politics is, politics is power plays and public relations. It's more marketing than it is governance.

    Inclusion can be a part of politics, in the same way it's part of companies advertising during pride month... but it's not the foundation of it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am sorry, but you are incorrect. The word politics comes from polity, meaning a group of people who share an identity. When you say that politics is "power plays and public relations," you are repeating propaganda that was designed to disenfranchise people. Politics is about working on a shared project: building a good society. Bad actors have infiltrated politics, but they don't get to replace the basic meaning of the word.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That make sense for why the confusion is there. But... "bad actors" or not, the well is poisoned. You don't keep drinking from a poisoned well just because you think it shouldn't be. Especially when there are other wells that are readily available. If anything, being able to distinguish between the two is more helpful than trying to keep waters that are already irrevocably muddied just because archaically they were not.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Why would you consider it weird?

    Conservatism is an exclusionary framework, it divides sharply 'us' vs 'them'

    When we say "Maybe poor people deserve medical care too", they hear "I will have to work to pay the bills of someone I hate"

    So, yes, inclusion is directly contrary to their core values, and they have learned that whenever they shout the word 'Political!' it gets people to back down, so they use it ALL the fucking time

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Conservatives hate anything that reminds them to be better humans, because they aren't.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I hate the whole conservative Christian doctrine. Saying you NEED religion or else you'll be a terrible person and do terrible things. It's like, goddamn I dont need religion to have morality and know what's right and wrong. And then these fuckers have the gall to say godless heathens are the evil ones while doing the exact things Jesus told them NOT to do!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You’re looking at it completely wrong.

    Fundamentally it doesn’t matter if you are a good person. Even the nicest most moral of us are sinners in the eyes of Christians.

    What matters is that you are forgiven by god for your sins. Even if you lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. Going to church and being absolved of your sins makes you a good person and welcome by god.

    The worst people I have met are Christians for this very reason. They believe they have been absolved of their wrongs in the eyes of god and you have not.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Lutheran private school: You will always be absolved of your sins when you ask forgiveness!

    3rd grade me: What if I wait until I'm on my deathbed?

    Lutheran private school: even then.

    3rd grade me: What if I do horrible things my whole life and just repent at the end?

    Lutheran private school: teacher shifts uncomfortably you'd really have to mean it and then what happens if you're in an accident and don't have time?

    3rd grade me: quick math meme running through my head

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is the tshirt I’m wearing today. Fuck Idaho.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They'll probably try to claim that blood comes from the heart, and so those hands represent jesus hznds with stakes through them, and everyone loves jesus.

    You know. Mental gymnastics. Just anything to reaffirm their own world view since you are challenging it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Whether you're black, white, or...an android?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    when I was in early years of school there were twins with no pigment that were pale as chalk and had hair like fiber optic strands. sunscreen needed indoors to not turn red. never seen either since but I found out its possible to be literally white.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    WTF is the pledge of allegiance supposed to be when it says "under god" in it? How come we can't ban bibles and qurans from school? What are they?

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Once upon a time, Stephen Colbert ('s character) uttering "It's a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias" was regarded as satire. Now, I wouldn't be so sure.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The party told you to reject your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

    I think the core problem is politics. I've met left leaning people who are just as brainwashed as some conservatives.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I've met uninformed and opinionated without a basis people who were left leaning, but I've never met anyone as cult-y as the MAGA. There is no way to get through to them--none. Their faces could be on fire, and they wouldn't put out the fire with water if water was proposed by the main-stream media to put out fires.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fine. "Everyone except Evangelical Christians are welcome here."

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    Q: What about that massive photo of Trump and the backpack checks for DEI literature

    A: That's fine why do you ask

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Kind of telling on themselves here, right? If "everyone is welcome" is an "ideology", kinda indicates the person labeling as such is against it. I say this because the societal norms on paper for every major philosophy or ideology would be in favor of that idea, and if it strikes you as staking a claim to something new, it probably took some mental effort to get to that conclusion. Would "be kind" be ideology? Technically yes I guess it is, but I doubt these people would be pissed about it and call it out like this. Are they asking for those cat posters saying "hang in there" to be taken down? That's preaching the "ideology" of persistence.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They don't want 'everyone' ... they just want 'white christian people of european descent'

    When you are a brown person, the messaging from these asshats is always the same racist bullshit we've heard for hundreds of years

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My list of reasons to never visit Idaho just keeps getting longer and longer.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s a shame because it’s such a beautiful place but it’s been full of Neo Nazis for decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've visited there exactly once, and you're right - it was crazy. I never went back and never plan to go back unless this backward state comes to it's senses.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay hear me out, the small college town of Moscow is actually a decent place (for at least a bit longer). Yeah I know "but what about the quadruple homicide"you ask but ignore that it was an outlier... It's really a small very quiet town with lots of good people, hippies, socialists, the lesbian owned comic/game/costume/sex shop, hills that make it look like Hobbiton, and sunsets so beautiful that the one time I was in Hawaii and people were floored by the sunsets I was like "meh, I've got better at home". It wants so badly to be part of Washington but suffers from being in Idaho. Everywhere else in Idaho is varying degrees of batshit lunacy

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, the signs are ideological, in that they conflict with the state-enforced ideology. Curiously, churches are getting in trouble discussing the beatitudes, since they (yes, Jesus' own words) are in conflict with the state-enforced ideology.

    What is scary is when there's insufficient resistance to the state-enforced ideology that runs contrary to classic virtues / traditions of compassion, hospitality, mercy, etc. This is the banal evil that lets abductions, renderings, concentration camps and eventually genocide happen.

    If you don't fight with banners today, you'll have to fight with guns tomorrow.

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    For decades now, I'm been warning about the era of this regime, and got a lot of oh yeah? Where are the death camps?

    Dachau was operative in 1933. The Wannsee Conference was in 1942, after which the Auschwitz model was replicated at other camps, and the final solution to the Jewish question was applied to the general contained population, rather than just disabled, mentally ill and gays.

    So in the timeline of the German Reich, the death camps appeared rather late, and I tend to err on the side of understatement, even though officer involved killings, and punitive fatalities in US prisons have been routine for decades at a rate of ~1000/year

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Good! If Jesus were RESURRECTED Today we would NOT want Him seeing such FILTH as "Everyone Is Welcome Here"!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. If He were present among us today, ICE would disappear Him to El Salvador (which is kind of ironic....)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think you meant to say that the IDF would shoot him as he tried to get aid.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So it's the next sign to hang up going to read "not everyone is welcome here? ".

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, it is ideological, like saying "All men are equals" or "Eating healthy leads to a longer life". I wish people would just come out and say what they really mean. Are the same teachers striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Well I've definitely felt unwelcome in the States. Good to see they're being honest about it at least.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When are we giving France their statue back?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Obligatory: so... not everyone is welcome there. Roger that

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  • idaho rly just said not everyone is welcomed here

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Ideas in school are bad mmkay

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    How does the “all lives matter” crowd feel about this?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Ban rightwingers from living & breathing. Only way to get a better world for people with compassion

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Idaho is a fucking backwards social dump. The poor think they are rich because the land is a beautiful place and you get a lot of state and federal land that's available to anyone who wants to use it

    but living 20 miles from the boarder most of my life had shown me how much of a social shit hole it is

    Like driving there with Washington plates will single you out. Like parking and people in the parking lots will be rude to you for the audacity for wanting to visit their spaces and yet a huge population of theirs works in Washington State. So at rush hour, in the morning you see lots of Idaho plates going west and then in the evening they go east.

    its not like we havn't know for ages that its a backwards place, but its nice to see the rest of the world coming to understand it

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    Meanwhile areas of North Idaho want to be part of Washington, going back since before Idaho was even officially a state. I still think ideologically a small bit each of east Washington, northeast Oregon, and north Idaho splitting out to be a new state makes sense. But who in the world would ever want to straight join Idaho in it's current state...

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It is ideological...

    That is what school is in part

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    God Republican Christians are such cunts.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Next up: Changing that pesky "E Pluribus Unum."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    *except nazis.

    Needed edits anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is obviously to deal with excessive vampire problem schools are facing

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Very Jesusy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Idaho doesn't want kids being any smarter than the adults in change. Which is anything after 3rd grade.

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