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[–] 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

She was on both, too

I mean everyone here probably knew that but PT is ♥_♥

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago

    Doors and corners, kid.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Kosh: They are alone. They are a dying fanbase. We should let them pass.

    Sinclair: Who -- the Trek Fans or the Babylon 5 fans?

    Kosh: Yes.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    "I am Rygel the XVI, Dominar to over 600 billion subjects. I don't need to talk to you!"

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    SGA is fun, but SG1 is better

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I respectfully disagree. I am currently in a rewatch, and there are two major issues I now have with SG1 (and don't ask me why it didn't bother/I didn't notice before): how much civil oversight over the military is antagonized and how often events or explanations are recapped in dialogue.
    In Atlantis, Weir and Woolsey are really respectable civil leaders with authority over the expedition's military and the relationship between military and civil personnel is much more balanced (plus every now and then it leads to interesting conflict).
    Also, this frequent summaries and retelling is often a point of critique for more modern shows ("modern shows get made for second screens"). That happens much less in Atlantis.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I respectfully disagree. I am currently in a rewatch, and there are two major issues I now have with SG1 (and don’t ask me why it didn’t bother/I didn’t notice before): how much civil oversight over the military is antagonized ...

    I feel like its not so much civilian-oversight that's antagonized but greedy politicians. where Weir is not a politician- she's a scientist and was in charge of the scientific expedition which the military (SGC) was tasked with protecting.

    Keep in mind that Woolsey was first introduced as Kinsey's lackey coming in to sabotage the stargate program. His character arc is... wonderful; and he goes from Woolsey-the-antagonist to Woolsey-the-ally (and eventual leader of Atlantis). for his part, Kinsey was subordinate to the Trust (and the oligarchs that formed the Committee/NID before it.)

    Which, I do feel like American politicians are... how shall we say... like that.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I feel like its not so much civilian-oversight that's antagonized but greedy politicians.

    Partly, yes. But for the most part, the ones in favour of civilian oversight were only greedy politicians, and that was used to frame the whole idea. Also the pure thought of civilian oversight was ridiculed by the protagonists without it being contextualized as a point of debate or something. Remember, there was a whole episode about why the US Air Force was best to control the Stargate program instead of an international comittee.

    where Weir is not a politician- she's a scientist

    No, Weir was a diplomat, peace activist and expert on international politics, not a scientist. Also, her appearance in SG1 marked a slight change in the show's characterization of civil oversight.

    Kinsey is one of my biggest points in this issue. For several seasons, he was the only or leading figure arguing for civil oversight, and when you let only one or a most prominent character represent an idea that character is how the show frames that idea.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Keep in mind that Woolsey was first introduced as Kinsey’s lackey coming in to sabotage the stargate program. His character arc is… wonderful; and he goes from Woolsey-the-antagonist to Woolsey-the-ally (and eventual leader of Atlantis).

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    i pefer sga continuation of sg1's mission, sg1 by the time it ended , it was already past its prime. the show was reaching by the time Ori was nearing is defeat. SGA had some upcoming storylines if it wasnt cancelled before s6. they already alluded to A,U appearances of enemies in the main universe. also ghost in the machine, repliweir foreshadowed future advanced races in the galaxy.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago
    [–] 17 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    As a Star trek fan, Babylon 5 IS better........ until season 5.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    oh please, who would watch a show about a space station? a commander torn between official duty to earth and being the chosen one to an alien species? episodes i have to watch in order? there isn't a market for a single show like that!

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  • I can hear the sound effect 😅

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Firefly has entered the chat

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Bro you're slipping (edit: wait are you done with the thorn thing?)

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Its just too short. What if TNG or SG1 only had the first season???

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    What did you just say?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Farscape: well frell me to hell I guess.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Not pictured: Aryn Sun with a Peacekeeper rifle trained on her head.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    She's right though

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    President Sheridan is a Star Trek fan?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a fan of both.

    B5 is better sci-fi. It's told as one long cohesive story, so it has a lot of time to explore ideas and themes. It is, however...very cheesy. A lot of the VFX don't hold up, the first season feels like dime store Star Trek before the actors found their characters and the plot kicks into gear, and the fifth season is almost entirely epilogue. But. It's a show you should watch.

    Star Trek is very often better television. There's more Trek to be had, and it's easy to find your home in the franchise. Production quality is usually better. It's slightly harder sci-fi, there's usually less hibbity jibbity in it. Star Trek is a lot worse at following an overall story arc, DS9 is the best at it, TOS and TNG were aired before overall stories were invented, VOY infamously failed to implement the story they told us it had, ENT decided fuck it we're Starship Troopers now, and that's the canonical end of the Star Trek franchise.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Well, B5 had a shit ton of production problems. Several actors left, they had run into some pretty dire technical issues, there was a nasty divorce somewhere in there too. Not to mention, the execs decided to say, "Hey, we're canceling next season, so 4's your last one." and then the writers crammed two seasons' worth of story into one. And then, they said, "Sike, you get your 5th season after all."

    Screw the network.

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  • They planned for actors to come and go...mostly. One interview with the crew I heard, they said they built "trap doors" into the show so that characters could come and go, being replaced with suspiciously similar substitutes. There was supposed to be a way to get Talia back after Bester Psy Corpsed her, remember the weir dude with the transparent head, the "vicker?"

    As for the network drama, for once it wasn't that stupid. The network B5 was airing on was shutting down, so their Season 4 would be the last possible to make. So they ripped out all the B plots to get the story wrapped up, which made it feel rushed and stressful, they were getting ready to wrap the show, a couple of the stars got jobs elsewhere, and then another network picked them up for the 5th season. So the B-plot arc, Byron and his telepath cult, get stretched to the main plot of the season, along with some hastily written filler.

    Combine that with the shaky first season which consists of a lot of adventure of the day episodes, cheesier production etc. that on first watch feels like dollar store Star Trek, but it's all background for when the plot gets going, and you've got three very strong seasons of sci-fi television.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That honour belongs to Tsunkatse.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    S’okay, she took one of sheridan’s gags and palmed the cap before giving it to the trekie.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, until a bunch of cylons wipes out the station

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    With the VFX and the costume choices of B5... I just... Can't...

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    have I seen her naked on outer limits?

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