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[–] 84 points 6 months ago (12 children)

If anything, it underscores the importance of actually having nuclear weapons as a deterrence. If Iran actually did have nukes we would not be picking fights with them

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago

    Ukraine as well. One is a story about why you should try to aquire nuclear weapons as quickly as possible and the other is a story about why you should never give them up, even if you think it's a bad idea that you have them and have serious doubts that you could maintain them safely or use them effectively.

    It's like goddamned advertising for nukes.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    It never occurred to me that the beef the US has with other countries having nukes is because it would put them on even footing. No nukes = no leverage.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    TBF lots of countries think everyone having nukes is a bad idea. It's just so nice to be one of the few that does...

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    only three countries have ever had nukes and willingly handed them over to de-escalate tensions about everyone having nukes: Ukraine, Belarus, and Pakistan. All three are consistent battlegrounds of the global northern empires now. the nuclear countries have demonstrated, it seems, to the global south that the adults table at the UN is who has nukes and if you get nukes and give them up, you will be punished for your good faith

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Uhh, Pakistan still has a bunch of nukes, Kazakhstan gave theirs up at the same time as the other two, and South Africa had them and gave them up. Also there's no war in Pakistan, and only war at a low level in Belarus (and they're the aggressor).

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    thanks. i wrote that up real fast and i got my countries mixed up. and in the case of Belarus what i was talking about is that their existence as a russian colony has been perhaps more strongly cemented than back when they were a union republic of the ussr

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Well yeah then they wouldn't be able to jack boot their way around the world causing problems.

    Imagine how much better it would be if the US military had maybe 10% less funding and that money was spent on infrastructure or social services. Can't have that so they have to justify the massive military expense by having nearly constant wars. If no obvious conflict presents itself, invent one, and then lose.

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  • [–] 50 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    One of the identifiers of fascism is that one's enemy is strong, needing to be stopped, and so weak they could never resist us.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    because Iran is weeks away from building the atomic bomb since 1995

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    That is kind of true though, but months rather than weeks.

    The thing is, if a guy has a disassembled rifle on the table in front of him and you have a ready gun trained on him, he is minutes away from having a functional rifle but he will always remain so.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Not to mention that they blew up the supreme leader who had issued a complete and total ban on nuclear weapons

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    ... In the shithouse that Donald built.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Does Iran even need a full fledged navy to keep the straight closed? The straight is narrow. A couple of gun boats and missiles launched from shore would be enough to keep most commercial shipping out.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I found it "interesting" that this happened when people were taking over the streets of Tehran so fiercely

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    [–] 69 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    And America will end up with a deal a thousand times worse than the one Obama got for giving the Iranians back their own money.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, fuck trump, he is 100% responsible for this whole thing from the beginning to the end.

    Was Obama's deal perfect? Of course not, but was foundation that could be used to build on top of. With JCPOA in place and lifted sanctions Khamenei likely would be replaced with less radical spiritual leader.

    Even with war in Ukraine, Iran at most would just remain neutral.

    And that raises a question, how come everything he does ultimately benefits Russia? Even things that at first look like they would be against them, later on always end up somehow helping it.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have a feeling the stuff Putin has on Trump makes Epstein look like wholesome.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Trump was 3rd most mentioned person in those files after Epstein and Maxwell. He wasn't just a customer, he was a partner. I believe the secondary business was selling kompromat to countries like Russia, Israel maybe Saudi Arabia etc (look what he was doing with the secret files).

    So in addition to pedophilia and child trafficking could also be a treason.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's what the "Art of the Deal" is. It works like this:

    • Trump notices something that tickles his fancy (for some idiotic reason).
    • he goes and mess with it.
    • he threatens to mess with it some more unless the other party vaguely agrees with him.
    • the situation is now worse than it used to be
    • everyone hates Trump, the US is seen as more unreliable than it used to be.
    • Great Success! Let's build an arch in Washington to celebrate!
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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I'm a New Yorker and Trump dominated the local newspapers for years.

    One of his biggest failures was losing about a billion trying to buy the Plaza hotel. Everyone in town knew he'd tanked, but he kept right on talking about how great he was.

    Since you mentioned 'The Art Of The Deal' I'll add that the actual writer got one of the best contracts in publishing history. He got his name on the cover and 50% of the royalties. After the book was done he ran as far from Trump as he could and spent the next few decades badmouthing him to anyone who'd listen.

    Bonus material.

    https://youtu.be/3ACCHxF4Afc

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago

    If You consider ICE, the US is actually invading the US.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Has anyone thought to tell the United States that the United States has oil that could be liberated?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I really hope the nuclear bomb they launch doesn't blow up in their own silo. God please no that would be so horrible

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Highly unlikely they'd use one of the ICBMs in the ground based siloes. This administration seems dumb enough to forget that the water portion of the nuclear triad even exists, causing a B-52 to be shot down with a live nuke over Iran. Thereby handing Iran their first nuke on a steel platter.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Lol, not war!

    I love it.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Basically that, yes.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    As a gesture of good faith Iran gets to keep the Uranium.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    haha yeah that'll show em

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago