Are Democrats feeling the Bern at last?
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If the Ds had enough votes to block passage, magically, just one would vote against.
We need a country to bribe our reps more than Israel does, this is the only way. Oops, I mean donate.
China, you're our only hope.
lol imagine if we achieve the death of US imperialism and the dawn of global communism simply by bribing the politicians more than the capitalists do.
Imagine if the people of the nation had enough money for food, shelter, and political donations.
We need a country to bribe our reps more than Israel does
It's a circular scheme. Money we spend arming Israel goes to their weapons manufacturers. Their MIC collects a profit, which is milled back into campaign donations to US Congresscritters. Congresscritters take the money and rubber stamp more tax-dollars to Israel, to buy more weapons, to generate more profit, to bribe more of Congress.
China, you’re our only hope.
President Xi, please liberate our people.
This idea that China is somehow going to save you or the world is brain death.
Xi loves what Trump is doing. Why would he risk stabilizing the U.S. when he could just not and continue to madly profit?
Also are you Han Chinese? Because if not, see my first point.
Why do you want a foreign country to interfere on your country's affairs?
It would obviously be a net good for global society if the US federal government stopped functioning; if the government continues pursuing its current interests that will never happen, yet if foreign lobbyists whose interests are fundamentally enemical to the US (such as China, but not Israel, which is just an appendage of the US) can influence the US federal government it may happen. At least that seems more proximal than the US working class suddenly gaining the kind of militant political stances and organization that would be necessary otherwise. But if both things could happen that'd be even better.
We are remarkably lazy, thoroughly beaten down, and a generation or two removed from an education that would have been helpful. Couple that with a people who believe the world is ending and 50 years of bad leadership.
I'd say the majority of Americans are not yet aware that their government has changed.
Hey Dems, this is the kind of hings we want. Keep it up. Do actual healthcare and debt reduction next!
Future: Sorry, even though there are 55 Democratic senators now, six of them won't vote for it because of inscrutable reasons and there's just nothing we can do!
It's nice, but we need meaningful campaign finance reform. We need to get Israeli money, and all foreign money, as far away from our political campaigns as possible.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I suspect a lot of Dems knew it wouldn't pass and are virtue signaling. Let's see if there's a blue wave in November and if so, whether they still have the backbone to cut off Israel.
This wouldn't be an issue if we just had campaign finance reform.
..now? They just did this now? What was the inflection point?
They were probably told to wait until Israel got most of what it wanted and then were allowed to do this to save face. Fuck all democrats who voted yes previously, this will not absolve them. They deserve to rot in the same cesspit with Trump and Netanyahu.
Only thing I can think of, is that the world is turning against Israel. Including Italy, France, UK, Spain, South Korea, and even Saudi Arabia is shutting down their sport-washing projects like LIV Golf and cutting off their Bonds investments in USA.
The inflection point was they knew it's gonna pass anyway, so they used the opportunity to feign alignment with their voters for a change.
they knew it’s gonna pass anyway
Legislation doesn't just pass by magic. There has to be a critical point of majority support. In this case, there wasn't.
The final 47–52 tally disappointed advocates who had hoped to draw more GOP support.
This feels a bit like the Epstein stuff. Liberal politicians recognizing how ugly their primary bids could get and how dangerous the general could be for pro-Israeli candidates going into 2028 and have decided to hedge their bets.
Meanwhile Republicans seem dead set on making this a referendum on the US-Iran War, which their caucus largely supports.
Just a few years too late.
Netanyahu did this. Allowing support for Israel to become a partisan issue in the US will go down as one of the classic blunders.
Netanyahu is successfully able to avoid prison by creating continued emergency situations.
He knows what he's doing.
It's not a partisan issue unfortunately. Sure Democrats are only focusing on slobbering over BB's tip. Republicans are trying to gobble the shaft and balls. But either is inappropriate.
failed just as planned. i can’t take them seriously never mind i do take them seriously after they rejected the call to stop taking AIPAC money. of course they are not going to stop. they just need to choose the defectors. and shumer is too cowardly to answer for his own demands
If they did this about 2 years ago we wouldn't have Trump.
I guess an eventual response is better than no response. Although for many is this juat a decision to win votes? Like I want representatives that have morals, but I suppose ones that listen to their voters is better than the current situation
I too can never quite shake the feeling that at least sometimes the supposed opposition is just theatre. Especially when they know it won't make any functional difference, they can say "well, gosh darn it, we tried" when in reality they'll always magically never have enough votes to do the right thing.
Cool! Now let's do that 2 years ago
Schumer (D-Tel Aviv) voted against.
And yet the Dems are leaving him as leader?
Meaningless posturing because they knew it wouldn't win. Wake me up when they have a majority and actually do something with it.
It's not meaningless. It's saying "if you vote for us, we will make this happen".
If you don't fail to pass laws/resolutions because you're the minority, you won't win votes over.
DIdn't the DNC vote those sorts of policies down in terms of adding em to the next platform when they run? Seem to recall seeing that recently.
If so, my guess is this is a political maneuver to try and reclaim the votes they lost for unflinching support of Israel. It's the "Well, we can all vote no now, to look good to the voters and hedge our bets to get elected -- but then once elected, we just go back to the status quo, which we technically never said we'd veer away from, so no harm no foul".
Hold off the saves act and then do it again after they loose the midterms.
I'm assuming they know it won't pass because of the Republican majority so they are virtue signaling. I can't trust either side.
Call their bluff and give them the majority they need yet secretly hope they don't receive?
Why does your cult always put the burden on the voters and not the party to do what their constituency wants?
If they really want to oppose Israel, ask them to renounce their lobbying and kick them out instead?
"Call their bluff and make them win"
What kind of retarded strategy is this?
Democrats: against every war but the current war.
The dems are whores for corporate money and this war actually threaten said money
Would have been nice if their line in the sand was genocide but I guess this is still better than the alternative
Too little too late. Anyone that supported Israel and defended their "right to defend themselves" needs to be hung. They're just trying to weasel their way into the left's good graces.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Send them to the Hague to face trial.
We've tried the trial and these morons put a conservative in charge of it because too many of them believe in working with the other side. They are complicit and deserve the same punishments as conservatives.
Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?
Or are they just going to have a harder time coming up with excuses why Democrats are so bad that it's better just to let Republicans hold onto power?
Leftists will vote for leftists
How will leftists vote for leftists if leftists won't run?
Cornel west is* a leftist
If anything, that's only an argument against running as an independent in a presidential election. Also, it helps the republicans win.
Besides, naming one or two leftists who have run for office isn't much of an argument against the fact that most state, local, and congressional elections don't have any leftists or progressives running in the primaries.
If you want the democratic party to fix itself, show it that progressive/leftist policy is a winning campaign strategy. That's how the system works, and like it or not, if you don't participate in it then you don't get to complain when it doesn't go your way.
Doesn't every state have a green party? And most have communist parties?
I don't want the Democrats to go left. They've always been Conservative, and moving them to the center would be an enormous, unlikely, and a huge waste of resources
How many seats on the ballot in each of those states have a candidate from one of those parties?
Also, DSA are a caucus within the Democratic party. If you think DSA are conservatives, then I might as well put my brain in the microwave for all the good it'll do trying to reason with you.
Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?
No. Since we hold all the cards and the democrats can’t win without us. We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.
If you really support the democrats you should be groveling for forgiveness in your response. If you refuse, I’ll be bringing that up at the next tankie meeting.
I've got nothing to grovel for your forgiveness for. Not sure if you're serious about the tankie meeting thing, but that's a lame-ass thing to say, and I really don't give a shit if you all decide to waste your time complaining about some random lemming who has the gall to remind you that letting republicans win to spite the democrats is fucking idiotic.
We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.
Maybe if you would vote in the fucking primaries then you could replace more conservative democrats with progressives. Maybe if you would vote at all then democrats would court the left-wing voting bloc more instead of considering it a lost cause and courting the center/right. But abstaining from the political process and then complaining when you don't get your way and blaming everyone else is asinine.
Yeah that presidential primary last election rocked, can't wait for the next one.
Man I remember when Bernie was in the primaries. It was totally normal and he didn't win for totally normal reasons in spite of the very cool democratic party supporting him.
There wasn't one last election. Sure, that sucks and it was wrong, but that's no reason not to vote in this one. That's terrible logic.
And sure, the DNC fucked Bernie and that sucked and was wrong too. But again, that's no reason not to vote in this year's primaries, especially for congressional, state, and local positions (which can help turn the tide at the DNC).
I never said the democratic party is cool or moral or anything like that. I said the republican party is worth opposing, even if we have to hold our noses to do so.
Arguments like yours helped maga get back into power, and are helping them stay in power.
Arguments like yours helped maga get back into power, and are helping them stay in power.
I was with you until that line. The democrats are responsible for being unpopular, not tankies.
Both things can be true. The DNC could court progressives instead of centrists and "moderate republicans." They don't, and that's on them. (But again, that's no reason why leftists shouldn't participate and try to steer the DNC towards the left).
At the same time, the US has a two-party, FPTP system. It's fundamentally broken and we can't expect it to give us perfect candidates. The electoral system itself needs to be drastically reformed before it can truly serve the people's interests rather than the elites, and encourage quality candidates rather than bombastic mudslingers.
In the meantime, leftists shouldn't abandon pragmatism. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and take a harm-reduction approach. Sometimes you can bargain for incremental progress, and absolutely should whenever the opportunity presents itself, but that's not always the case.
But this idea that "I won't settle for anything less than perfect" is really defeatist in addition to being idealistic, and not the mentality we should embrace. It leads to burnout and nihilism, not progress.
But this idea that "I won't settle for anything less than perfect" is really defeatist
We have all interacted with tankies that act like that, but they were never going to vote anyways. For everyone else, not supporting a genocide is not asking for perfection. Characterizing it as such is only going to push those voters towards the tankies.
Characterizing "vote against maga even if you have to hold your nose" as "supporting genocide" has always been a disingenuous take, and it's a large part of the reason we have trump today.
Like, with Dems in office, there would be a chance of restraining Israel at least somewhat, putting conditions on aid, possibly even forcing a diplomatic resolution. With trump, you have the US actively supporting and encouraging it, and even participating in it directly.
Nobody has managed to convince me that that's better.
Yep. This guy could try to characterize people however he wants but it's reductionist and silly. Harris didn't get elected because she refused to stop supporting the genocide. Full stop. The heart of the issue is policy and refusal to represent the American people.
"maybe if you vote in primaries blah blah blah progressives get elected" - paraphrasing
Never claimed to be a tankie.
Made it clear that argument is fucking stupid (historically)
Why do you care what tankies think? Do you need their help to win elections?
87 million eligible voters didn't vote in 2024.
Anyone out there encouraging leftists not to vote is only helping republicans.
Which is more likely: a Tankie being convinced to vote Democrat or the Democratic leadership rejecting genocide? Like yes voter apathy is helping Republicans, but the cure isn't "voter discipline", it's having a party that listens to its constituents.
Schumer and Jeffries are unapologetic zionists and should be replaced, but I don't follow the logic that says we need to desert the entire democratic party, when they're the only viable opposition to republicans who aren't merely permissive of israel's genocide but actively encourage and participate in it.

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