The Democratic votes on the pair of resolutions from Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., were not enough to overcome universal opposition from Republicans.

Still, the votes represented a watershed moment in the party’s relationship with Israel and the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel had continued to enjoy strong support from Democratic leaders, despite outrage from the base over the war on Gaza. Sanders said the votes signaled that party leaders are finally taking note.

“This is where the American people are. The polls are very clear: The overwhelming majority of American people do not want to continue to give weapons to Netanyahu and his horrific wars in the Mideast,” he said. “I think the Democrats have caught on to that. It took a little while, but they caught on to that. But Republicans, I think, are standing in opposition to millions of their own supporters.”

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[–] 88 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Are Democrats feeling the Bern at last?

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  • [–] 123 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Imagine if you will - a world where we would have had Bernie instead of Sweet Potato Hitler V1.

    Never forget kids: The rich are the true and only enemy.

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  • [–] 70 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    Hell, I'm still imagining a world where we had Gore instead of Junior.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Two easy ones:

    No 9-11. There would have eventually been an attempt somehow, hell, maybe it would have been worse, like a dirty bomb. But the ball wouldn't have been dropped on staying alert. Climate activism. Still think it was far too late even by 2000 to prevent the worst that's coming (which tells you were I think we are now), but at least Gore knew the science and would have tried to change something.

    Still would have had our problems, but it's such a different path, it's hard to say what would have still happened.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have a hard time believing that Gore would have made a difference on preventing 9-11, but I'm sure the response would have been different. Maybe no Patriot Act, maybe no Afghanistan War, almost certainly no Iraq War. That's a big enough difference for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm old. I'm STILL imagining a world where we got Dukakis instead of Reaganomics 2.0

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Republicans: not even once.

    I wasn't born, but a world in which Carter won re-election instead of Reagan or Humphrey defeated Nixon would have been..... So much better.

    Even Eisenhower, best of a bad lot, did nothing to stop the red scare and instead used it as an opportunity to remove homosexuals and leftists from the civil service.

    Not even once.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    It was safe to vote in order to appease the voters without actually doing anything because they knew the Republicans would shut it down.

    If the vote were closer and couldn't survive Democratic unanimity, just enough of the rotating selection would oppose it to keep it from passing while the rest saved face.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    It's a bad play I think if that's their plan. It shows that criticizing Israel is fair game, which has pretty much been against everything said in the past. It's an admission that they think that what Israel is doing is wrong. You can't put that back. AIPAC would not be in favor of this. If this is just appeasement, it's at least appeasement that can be pointed at to show what's wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They may think of it like appeasement

    But this is only the beginning of the anti-zionist snowball

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I desperately hope you're right, but I suspect this is naïvely optimistic.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    The Democratic Party has shown time and time again that they are willing to vote in line with the people if and only if their vote doesn't change the outcome.

    I'll believe their votes on Israel mean anything when their votes – well – mean anything for the result.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Israel will only get more unpopular

    More and more people see day after day the billions we spend sending weapons to Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, billions that aren't being used to help everyday americans

    This type of resentment and anger is only growing, and will only grow faster as material conditions continue to worsen, which the vast majority of Americans are experiencing

    So on top of the, rightfully, moral outrage at what Israel is, it's also fuelled by that economic outrage, and both are only increasing

    With berniecrat types, like Zohran and others, we see massive grassroots motion precisely because they can authentically tackle both those aspects. Calling out the truth of Apartheid and Genocide, demanding Divestment, on top of taxing the rich, moving all those funds to instead help cost of living at home

    More and more berniecrats are winning races across the country because people are demanding a disruption to the status quo. The scare mongering of the socialist label doesn't work anymore. People don't care, they just hear that those policies can improve things. And as those policies do improve things, it only gets more and more popular

    A Candidate whose unapologetically anti-zionist shows authenticity, so people are more charitable to that candidates socialist policies and more willing to give them a chance. The Republican policies aren't working, the Liberal Democrat policies aren't working, so fuck it, we ball

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago* (10 children)

    If the Ds had enough votes to block passage, magically, just one would vote against.

    We need a country to bribe our reps more than Israel does, this is the only way. Oops, I mean donate.

    China, you're our only hope.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    We need a country to bribe our reps more than Israel does

    It's a circular scheme. Money we spend arming Israel goes to their weapons manufacturers. Their MIC collects a profit, which is milled back into campaign donations to US Congresscritters. Congresscritters take the money and rubber stamp more tax-dollars to Israel, to buy more weapons, to generate more profit, to bribe more of Congress.

    China, you’re our only hope.

    President Xi, please liberate our people.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This idea that China is somehow going to save you or the world is brain death.

    Xi loves what Trump is doing. Why would he risk stabilizing the U.S. when he could just not and continue to madly profit?

    Also are you Han Chinese? Because if not, see my first point.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Why do you want a foreign country to interfere on your country's affairs?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    It would obviously be a net good for global society if the US federal government stopped functioning; if the government continues pursuing its current interests that will never happen, yet if foreign lobbyists whose interests are fundamentally enemical to the US (such as China, but not Israel, which is just an appendage of the US) can influence the US federal government it may happen. At least that seems more proximal than the US working class suddenly gaining the kind of militant political stances and organization that would be necessary otherwise. But if both things could happen that'd be even better.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    We are remarkably lazy, thoroughly beaten down, and a generation or two removed from an education that would have been helpful. Couple that with a people who believe the world is ending and 50 years of bad leadership.

    I'd say the majority of Americans are not yet aware that their government has changed.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hey Dems, this is the kind of hings we want. Keep it up. Do actual healthcare and debt reduction next!

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Future: Sorry, even though there are 55 Democratic senators now, six of them won't vote for it because of inscrutable reasons and there's just nothing we can do!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-angus-king-joins-democratic-caucus-members-breaking-party-lines-in-test-vote-to-end-government-shutdown/ar-AA1Q9jfH

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  • [–] 60 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's nice, but we need meaningful campaign finance reform. We need to get Israeli money, and all foreign money, as far away from our political campaigns as possible.

    Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I suspect a lot of Dems knew it wouldn't pass and are virtue signaling. Let's see if there's a blue wave in November and if so, whether they still have the backbone to cut off Israel.

    This wouldn't be an issue if we just had campaign finance reform.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    ..now? They just did this now? What was the inflection point?

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    They were probably told to wait until Israel got most of what it wanted and then were allowed to do this to save face. Fuck all democrats who voted yes previously, this will not absolve them. They deserve to rot in the same cesspit with Trump and Netanyahu.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Only thing I can think of, is that the world is turning against Israel. Including Italy, France, UK, Spain, South Korea, and even Saudi Arabia is shutting down their sport-washing projects like LIV Golf and cutting off their Bonds investments in USA.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The inflection point was they knew it's gonna pass anyway, so they used the opportunity to feign alignment with their voters for a change.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    they knew it’s gonna pass anyway

    Legislation doesn't just pass by magic. There has to be a critical point of majority support. In this case, there wasn't.

    The final 47–52 tally disappointed advocates who had hoped to draw more GOP support.

    This feels a bit like the Epstein stuff. Liberal politicians recognizing how ugly their primary bids could get and how dangerous the general could be for pro-Israeli candidates going into 2028 and have decided to hedge their bets.

    Meanwhile Republicans seem dead set on making this a referendum on the US-Iran War, which their caucus largely supports.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Just a few years too late.

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    Lol wut. The democrats have always been conservative. Always will be.

    See support for police, military, nuclear weapons, and carbon. These are existential threats that need abolition, and they oppose it.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Now send iron dome to Gaza and sanctions against Israel

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Netanyahu did this. Allowing support for Israel to become a partisan issue in the US will go down as one of the classic blunders.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    failed just as planned. i can’t take them seriously never mind i do take them seriously after they rejected the call to stop taking AIPAC money. of course they are not going to stop. they just need to choose the defectors. and shumer is too cowardly to answer for his own demands

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If they did this about 2 years ago we wouldn't have Trump.

    I guess an eventual response is better than no response. Although for many is this juat a decision to win votes? Like I want representatives that have morals, but I suppose ones that listen to their voters is better than the current situation

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I too can never quite shake the feeling that at least sometimes the supposed opposition is just theatre. Especially when they know it won't make any functional difference, they can say "well, gosh darn it, we tried" when in reality they'll always magically never have enough votes to do the right thing.

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    Cool! Now let's do that 2 years ago

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I would say mostly, not overwhelmingly.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Schumer (D-Tel Aviv) voted against.

    And yet the Dems are leaving him as leader?

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Meaningless posturing because they knew it wouldn't win. Wake me up when they have a majority and actually do something with it.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    DIdn't the DNC vote those sorts of policies down in terms of adding em to the next platform when they run? Seem to recall seeing that recently.

    If so, my guess is this is a political maneuver to try and reclaim the votes they lost for unflinching support of Israel. It's the "Well, we can all vote no now, to look good to the voters and hedge our bets to get elected -- but then once elected, we just go back to the status quo, which we technically never said we'd veer away from, so no harm no foul".

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Bare minimum but a start I guess

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Hold off the saves act and then do it again after they loose the midterms.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm assuming they know it won't pass because of the Republican majority so they are virtue signaling. I can't trust either side.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Call their bluff and give them the majority they need yet secretly hope they don't receive?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why does your cult always put the burden on the voters and not the party to do what their constituency wants?

    If they really want to oppose Israel, ask them to renounce their lobbying and kick them out instead?

    "Call their bluff and make them win"

    What kind of retarded strategy is this?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Democrats: against every war but the current war.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    The dems are whores for corporate money and this war actually threaten said money

    Would have been nice if their line in the sand was genocide but I guess this is still better than the alternative

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Too little too late. Anyone that supported Israel and defended their "right to defend themselves" needs to be hung. They're just trying to weasel their way into the left's good graces.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

    Send them to the Hague to face trial.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?

    Or are they just going to have a harder time coming up with excuses why Democrats are so bad that it's better just to let Republicans hold onto power?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Leftists will vote for leftists

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    How will leftists vote for leftists if leftists won't run?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If anything, that's only an argument against running as an independent in a presidential election. Also, it helps the republicans win.

    Besides, naming one or two leftists who have run for office isn't much of an argument against the fact that most state, local, and congressional elections don't have any leftists or progressives running in the primaries.

    If you want the democratic party to fix itself, show it that progressive/leftist policy is a winning campaign strategy. That's how the system works, and like it or not, if you don't participate in it then you don't get to complain when it doesn't go your way.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Doesn't every state have a green party? And most have communist parties?

    I don't want the Democrats to go left. They've always been Conservative, and moving them to the center would be an enormous, unlikely, and a huge waste of resources

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    How many seats on the ballot in each of those states have a candidate from one of those parties?

    Also, DSA are a caucus within the Democratic party. If you think DSA are conservatives, then I might as well put my brain in the microwave for all the good it'll do trying to reason with you.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?

    No. Since we hold all the cards and the democrats can’t win without us. We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.

    If you really support the democrats you should be groveling for forgiveness in your response. If you refuse, I’ll be bringing that up at the next tankie meeting.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I've got nothing to grovel for your forgiveness for. Not sure if you're serious about the tankie meeting thing, but that's a lame-ass thing to say, and I really don't give a shit if you all decide to waste your time complaining about some random lemming who has the gall to remind you that letting republicans win to spite the democrats is fucking idiotic.

    We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.

    Maybe if you would vote in the fucking primaries then you could replace more conservative democrats with progressives. Maybe if you would vote at all then democrats would court the left-wing voting bloc more instead of considering it a lost cause and courting the center/right. But abstaining from the political process and then complaining when you don't get your way and blaming everyone else is asinine.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    Yeah that presidential primary last election rocked, can't wait for the next one.

    Man I remember when Bernie was in the primaries. It was totally normal and he didn't win for totally normal reasons in spite of the very cool democratic party supporting him.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    There wasn't one last election. Sure, that sucks and it was wrong, but that's no reason not to vote in this one. That's terrible logic.

    And sure, the DNC fucked Bernie and that sucked and was wrong too. But again, that's no reason not to vote in this year's primaries, especially for congressional, state, and local positions (which can help turn the tide at the DNC).

    I never said the democratic party is cool or moral or anything like that. I said the republican party is worth opposing, even if we have to hold our noses to do so.

    Arguments like yours helped maga get back into power, and are helping them stay in power.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    Arguments like yours helped maga get back into power, and are helping them stay in power.

    I was with you until that line. The democrats are responsible for being unpopular, not tankies.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Both things can be true. The DNC could court progressives instead of centrists and "moderate republicans." They don't, and that's on them. (But again, that's no reason why leftists shouldn't participate and try to steer the DNC towards the left).

    At the same time, the US has a two-party, FPTP system. It's fundamentally broken and we can't expect it to give us perfect candidates. The electoral system itself needs to be drastically reformed before it can truly serve the people's interests rather than the elites, and encourage quality candidates rather than bombastic mudslingers.

    In the meantime, leftists shouldn't abandon pragmatism. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and take a harm-reduction approach. Sometimes you can bargain for incremental progress, and absolutely should whenever the opportunity presents itself, but that's not always the case.

    But this idea that "I won't settle for anything less than perfect" is really defeatist in addition to being idealistic, and not the mentality we should embrace. It leads to burnout and nihilism, not progress.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    But this idea that "I won't settle for anything less than perfect" is really defeatist

    We have all interacted with tankies that act like that, but they were never going to vote anyways. For everyone else, not supporting a genocide is not asking for perfection. Characterizing it as such is only going to push those voters towards the tankies.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Characterizing "vote against maga even if you have to hold your nose" as "supporting genocide" has always been a disingenuous take, and it's a large part of the reason we have trump today.

    Like, with Dems in office, there would be a chance of restraining Israel at least somewhat, putting conditions on aid, possibly even forcing a diplomatic resolution. With trump, you have the US actively supporting and encouraging it, and even participating in it directly.

    Nobody has managed to convince me that that's better.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Yep. This guy could try to characterize people however he wants but it's reductionist and silly. Harris didn't get elected because she refused to stop supporting the genocide. Full stop. The heart of the issue is policy and refusal to represent the American people.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you care what tankies think? Do you need their help to win elections?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    87 million eligible voters didn't vote in 2024.

    Anyone out there encouraging leftists not to vote is only helping republicans.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Which is more likely: a Tankie being convinced to vote Democrat or the Democratic leadership rejecting genocide? Like yes voter apathy is helping Republicans, but the cure isn't "voter discipline", it's having a party that listens to its constituents.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Schumer and Jeffries are unapologetic zionists and should be replaced, but I don't follow the logic that says we need to desert the entire democratic party, when they're the only viable opposition to republicans who aren't merely permissive of israel's genocide but actively encourage and participate in it.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago

    dEmOc RaTz lOvE tEh GeNoSiiiiiEdEezS!11/x!

    :^p

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