From the press release [my emphasis]:

Require operating system developers like Apple and Google to verify users’ ages when setting up a new device, rather than relying on self-reported ages.

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/25834609

The U.S. has been quietly building up a set of state-level laws that push operating system providers into the age verification plague.

California's AB 1043, signed in October 2025, requires OS providers to collect age data at account setup and pipe it to apps through a real-time API. It kicks in on January 1, 2027.

Colorado is working on something nearly identical. SB26-051 (which we covered when it was still a proposal) passed the state Senate 28-7 on March 3, 2026, and is now waiting on a House vote to become law there too.

However, these are just state-level laws. A new federal bill, H.R.8250, introduced on April 13, 2026, by Rep. Josh Gottheimer, with Rep. Elise M. Stefanik signing on as cosponsor, has us intrigued.

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[–] 35 points 7 months ago

This is Zuckerberg doing this via Meta:

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_billion_in_nonprofit_grants_and_45/

Unidentified users are worth way less than users that they can link to an identity, a law like this passing would massively increase the value of Meta's user base to advertisers and data brokers.

'Protecting the children' is a long used way to shut down dissenting voices ("Why does xxxx want to put our children in danger?!!!").

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Besides obviously being Meta pushing for these, people should start paying attention to the politicians pushing them.

    We should not forget these names.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I hope this just manifests as a transition from "I lied about my age to steam, Minecraft and pornhub" to "I let my OS lie about my age to steam, Minecraft and pornhub."

    But I get the fear that they're going to take it too far and require ID, especially since the feds are a thousand times worse than the state governments in question.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    From the press release [my emphasis]:

    Require operating system developers like Apple and Google to verify users’ ages when setting up a new device, rather than relying on self-reported ages.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes, I read that but how? We 100% should be more concerned with fed implementation than what states were doing, as I'm betting it's going to be as stupid as UKs approach to app based verification.

    I'm not sure they could even do that in a reasonable way when there are use cases like offline installs, no cameras, etc, but given Windows requires hoops to jump to avoid getting an MS account, that's probably not going to be a concern of theirs (as Congress is exceptionally inept). At least the CA law seems to consider that, given it's just self report.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Very true:

    But when technologists tell policymakers this, they tell us that they have every confidence in our ingenuity, and also, they can't be certain we're not telling a Zuck-style fable about how the stuff we merely disprefer is actually impossible. They tell us to NERD HARDER!

    NERD HARDER! is the answer every time a politician gets a technological idée-fixe about how to solve a social problem by creating a technology that can't exist.

    https://pluralistic.net/2025/08/14/bellovin/#wont-someone-think-of-the-cryptographers

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's depressing, lol. Well, my guess is it won't be 100% enforceable because there will always be computers with root access, and it won't matter while Windows and Mac capitulate and 95% of the market complies because they're used to signing up for shit. It might be illegal at the user level but not enforceable, much like a lot of other things.

    Silver lining, another generation of horny teens will learn to love Linux the same way I was pushed into rooted devices at a young age.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What is to stop everyone from lying? I would enter 1/1/1900 if ever forced to.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The crucial point in this new press release is the requirement for "operating system developers like Apple and Google to verify users’ ages when setting up a new device, rather than relying on self-reported ages."

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I hope they meant "verify user age by entering it at account setup" instead of "the user reports their age when they open a website", like the california law. Still stupid to write it like this, but at least a little bit less bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    That's not "verified" you'd need to upload some sort of government ID like you need to for porn inant western countries now.

    While for porn you can just use a VPN, if this bill requires ot at device level it will be harder to get around.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    To take the voice of the other side

    Age verification is a thing that's becoming more important

    It's expensive for all the companies if they have to do age verification, apple and Microsoft are huge so they can easily absorb the cost, so if we make those companies do it, it takes the load off the other companies

    It's not that they're open source hostile, it's that they're open source blind. I think they're also using corporate versions of windows so they don't get the worst of it, so they're not incentivised to find alternatives

    Linux is going to have a lot of trouble funding ID checks in the handful of jurisdictions where it's necessary

    I wonder if Linux should be presented as business software (since most Linux installations are servers) that should not be bound by that law, what does a server care about the age of the worker who set it up or the company that owns it

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    As a European, would it be enough for me to use a distribution that is not from the US? So they would not have to implement age verification at operating system level. All the service (such as Flatpak in example) would still work without verification, right? Can I escape the US law as a European user?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    if it worked like that an age field wouldn't be in systemd for everyone everywhere because of the california law having passed

    it /shouldn't/ work like that, but not enough people and projects seem willing to hold their ground atm

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    [–] 103 points 7 months ago* (12 children)

    All of these sorts of laws are designed to do two things:

    1. Destroy privacy

    2. Destroy Free Software (because inevitable end result will be enforcement via DRM, obviously)

    That's why it's vitally important to stand united against them, and bootlicking class traitors like Lennart Poettering need to be bitch-slapped into either standing with us or fucking off out of Linux development entirely.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    This law applies to companies, not free software projects

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    There's literally no way they van enforce laws on an open source project

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    There's literally no way they van enforce laws on an open source project

    I'm guessing you weren't running a modded Minecraft server when CraftBukkit was hit with a DMCA ban and disappeared from GitHub overnight. (The DMCA is a shit law, passed by shit-heads to be shitty.)

    Open Source is huge, but not invincible. We still have to act to protect it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    So they moved to gitlab of codeberg or self hosted gitea?

    What's your point? Git is decentralized. Getting banned from GitHub takes about 1 day to fix, at most.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    That's not how it played out. Contributors were alarmed, distribution modes had to be rebuilt. Some of those options fight exist yet.

    Contributors were afraid to continue to contribute.

    The ecosystem is more resilient today because of crap like that.

    But it's vain to believe that public copies won't go away. People have to feel safe to share.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If it's actually "age verification" as quoted, not "age recording" then it's significantly worse than the state-level bills.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    From the press release [my emphasis]:

    Require operating system developers like Apple and Google to verify users’ ages when setting up a new device, rather than relying on self-reported ages.

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  • Oops, all fascism!

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Epstein class wants to know which users are minors.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    The Epstein class wants to know which users are minors.

    This is exactly what this is really about.

    For those of us with any Maga connections left, we need to raise this alarm to them, too.

    Maga types are not paying enough attention to catch on yet, but there's a good chance it'll be one of them who is in the best position to do something relevant, when there's opportunities...

    It's still a numbers thing. There's still a lot more victims than actual proper full boot lickers, if we can wake them up.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So this is going to have to include basically everything , cars, airplanes, teledildonics .

    How is this ever going to be enforceable?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So that's what the TPM chip is for?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    How do I get off the shit show?

    Also might this apply to headless servers too?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    There is so much shit they haven’t thought of trying to ram this through it isn’t funny. Not a one of these dumb motherfuckers has any clue how tech works or what kind of headaches this is going to bring to the tech industry. It’s all feel good politics meant to look good but not actually do any good whatsoever, so theater like most of it already (see TSA). There will be so many loopholes in ways to get around it, it will be less than useless.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Please, dear readers, don't let this sound encouraging (and no shade to you commenter, I'm not disagreeing with you, just adding on top).

    Broad unenforceable laws that everyone basically constantly violates because of how they're written - these are actually weapons used to perform selective enforcement.

    Speed limits are a good example, in many jurisdictions all speed limits are artificially low, everyone goes the "normal" speed, and this allows cops to pick and choose their targets. This is partially how "driving while black" could be de facto criminalized, if that reference is familiar.

    Them being bad at this stuff is not as helpful to us as it may seem, when ultimately this and many other laws have a primary purpose that supersedes the stated aims of the law. That purpose being, facilitating targeted enforcement by giving a plausible air of legitimacy.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You are 100% right. They will pass all of this and it will suck for a large majority of us. I’m not suggesting it will all be unenforceable (although a large part might be). I’m venting that these people in charge are seeing an opportunity to control and limit much of what has gotten away from being easily surveilled in the first place.

    This is no different than the half a dozen various legislative “solutions” to keeping children online safe.

    • CDA (1996)
    • COPA (1998)
    • DOPA (2006)
    • COPPA 2.0 (2022)
    • KOSA (2022-24)

    The common thread is it’s never really about children or keeping anyone “safe”. It’s about controlling people and information. Previously there were lots opposition from various tech industries and infighting but this seems to be gaining traction which scares the crap out of me. The obvious technical limitations, first amendment violations, and giant loopholes from the internet being a global thing are still there but it doesn’t seem to matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I flat out have not been able to "catch up" my subconscious to the alarm bells my consciousness is ringing. That's how significant the shift in the corporate stance is for me (though to be clear it's not surprising and I never saw them positively).

    Always always always the tech companies were at least a weighty line of defense, like you said. Not so much a guide toward good things but at least a "hey! I'm making money over here, don't mess that up with your bullshit!" kept things manageable. (Well. Kinda. For a while.)

    But yeah, the mask-off corporate fascism simply realizes it has shed those shackles entirely. They can directly fund and support the fascist in chief for basically all upside.

    We are in fucking trouble. Like I said, I can't even get my own goddamn brain to see the threat clearly.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm too old and been disappointed too many times to find that very cheering, but I appreciate ya. Pretty much strictly bummer mode for the rest of the comment, to forewarn.

    The pendulum does indeed swing, and I've lately only really noticed how thoroughly the swing back is just blocked. Co-opted into what amounts to damn near nothing... in the best cases! Progress has been defeated, thoroughly, and has been reversing for some time, and that is now accelerating.

    There is of course a low point somewhere, where things can only change, and our adventure in Iran may bring it, but the ruling class seems to have perfected the art of the slow simmer, at least here in the US. Defeating that will be ugly, but we do see some signs that they're accidentally allowing things to boil via their unchecked greed.

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    Sidenote, I really know what you mean about "straddling two ages", what a bizarre and like...ineffably rare experience it's been. A bit older than we, and computers (modern communication) are just a strange accessory to life - it's mostly been lived IRL. Anything else must be imagined, and it isn't easy, usually isn't done very well. A bit younger than we, and there has never been a strictly IRL part of life. The slow way, that every other human before lived and died under. And so anything else must be imagined, and it isn't done very well.

    Utterly strange to one day notice this and recognize myself as among the small group of folks who really thoroughly experienced both. What a strange ride. Lucky, in its way, sincerely.


    Sidenote aside, I don't share your optimism regarding the rejection / degree of appeal for fascism and its companions, abroad. At all. Think I'll leave it there, out of simple courtesy, and from having grown bored of my own words on the subject. Cheers friend.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Could you post this on the privacy community? I had never heard about this arsehole.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Anyone have a summary for those of us who don't do video?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Woah, did the media learn something from the California bill? That was only reported very much on after it had already passed. Now this is getting significant coverage when nothing except introduction has happened yet (and let us hope it stays that way).

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