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[–] 88 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Actual title:

A Secret Grand Jury Is Seeking the Identity of a Reddit User Who Criticized ICE

It's completely unclear what illegal thing the user is supposed to have done, other than dislike ICE.

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  • [–] 159 points 7 months ago* (18 children)

    ah pedonald trying to scare people. fuck him with a retractable baton.

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    That might bring him pleasure.

    Dip him in acid.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    As a chemist, I recommend Hydrofloric acid

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That calcium-loving one that eats your bones if you touch it?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I kinda wanna see the one that causes sensory blending and hallucinations.

    And just fuck with him for...well how ever many days a dose like that would take to wear off.

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  • [+] -23 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    man i fuckin hate the us government. Do y'all really say shit like "pedonald" unironically though

    do y'all say that shit and be like "heh yeah i got his ass"? do y'all say shit like "The Orange Menace" and think it's the fuckin bomb dot com?

    you old ass freaky mfs got that truth social energy going on. Y'all say some corn ball facebook auntie garbage and act like it's tuff with two F's

    Can y'all act like normal human beings instead of this weird ass insulated secluded sector of the radicalized internet for a sec big dog like damn

    slaughter conservatives and behead authority figures, stop this busted ass middle school style name calling though holy fuck

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  • [–] 132 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good god the title is very misleading. The grand jury hearing isn't until April 14. It's still chilling that the administration will go to these lengths to apparently silence criticism, but I'm not convinced there is more to this story. Although the reddit user in question is enlisting a civil liberties group to represent him, I'm thinking he/she may not be a terrorist mastermind who is a danger to the American people.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    This measured response feels much healthier than my/our kneejerk reactions. Any prosecutor is going to seek information that would help their case, and they expect the Court to simply say No when it isn’t compatible with the law. It sucks that this Trump admin and retributive DOJ have such an anti-American track record that our initial instinct is that every move is another attempt to suppress criticism (which it likely would be if they had any scintilla of competence to go with their thirst for fascism).

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  • [–] 117 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    OP's headline does not match the article linked in any way. I don't know if the site changed the article or what, but the Grand Jury has not ordered Reddit to turn over any data.

    a subpoena issued by federal prosecutors to the management of Reddit, representatives of the site have been ordered to appear before a grand jury in Washington D.C., with an April 14 deadline set in an attempt to compel Reddit to volunteer personal data and the identity of a user who had the temerity to lightly criticize Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on the platform.

    Essentially, they have ordered Reddit to send representatives to be badgered into volunteering the user's information.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    These kinds of posts and titles on Lemmy are a serious issue that I've noticed over the last 6 to 7 months.

    There appears to be a serious issue with moderation and a lot of Lemmy subs.

    I'm not calling for any Reddit styled moderation here. Absolutely not. I'm just saying something needs to happen here to better moderate these subs.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    Isnt it up to the readers of the article to notice and upvote things like this? Lemmy is just a link aggregator. Mods dont read every post. I bet almost everyone has a full time job or student life too.

    Report it and upvote the problem and it will be fixed by a mod eventually, and readers will be aware until that happens.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    So they are using a form of harassment? Get them to look at the cost of sending someone vs just betraying one user. Of course the blowback as reddit shows it would betray your anonymity could be a pr disaster.

    If the article is correct then the whole demand is truly bizarre. There seems to be nothing in the reddit user's postings to warrant this amount of concern. The fact that his comments are innocuous may be to set a precedent that any criticism, regardless of severity, can be prosecuted or at least intimidation.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    No, it's not volunteering, at least not anymore.

    Subpoena is legal Latin for "under penalty," because noncompliance with a subpoena carries a penalty.

    Originally, it was an information request from the feds, and Reddit refused. Then they escalated to getting a grand jury subpoena (which means they got a bunch of normal citizens to agree that the information was relevant to a criminal investigation), so now noncompliance carries a penalty.

    Reddit notified the users, who hired their own lawyers, who are resisting the subpoena and will litigate it to where they need a judge to decide whether Reddit will have to turn the information over.

    That's the process for these things, and we're a couple steps in already.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The most absurd part of this is their inability to dox someone for a month. Give a handful of bored nerds any motivation and they'd have it figured out in a day or two.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The Reddit hivemind is a bit like AI, now that I think about it.

    They'll give you a confident, reasonable sounding answer. Any accuracy will be completely accidental.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Well you see, most of reddit bots/comments are AI generated. it comes from 2 camps, 1 from propaganda, and the other (reddit targets with thier own AI moderation) the OF/ link /business droppers/ads that are warming up thier accoutns with random comments(in non-propaganda way) or posting it.

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    They can't fucking WAIT until this ID verification goes through. Literally frothing at the mouth for it.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I don't get it. Once ID checks are here, do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not, they're just going to keep going further underground online or find offline ways, do they really think we'll just keep posting incriminating stuff with our real name attached?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The oppression is the goal. They want you to tell 10 people locally, not 10 million worldwide.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Suppression of anything critical of Trump and the other snowflakes is the goal. Oppression is their favorite tool, but they’ll settle for intimidation which still ends up being effective even when our institutions uphold the Constitution.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not

    People are already pushing all kind of extreme and suspicious opinions on multiple websites under their "official" name that can be found on their ID. This won't change. And the risk isn't people stopping saying thing at one point; it's the list of "allowed" topics changing over time, then going back to older content.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    I find it reassuring that the government is at least acting like they can't identify this user without Reddit's consent. I wonder why this charade is necessary; are they trying to set a legal precedent?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They want to prosecute peope in open court so using the NSA to id people would be inconvenient (but not impossible).

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    They've had difficulty convincing grand juries to indict in other sketchy cases. I have to wonder what super secret group of totally-not-ICE-officials this was approved by.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Grand juries are usually formalities with a very low bar. There's a phrase that you can indict a ham sandwich. Not getting a "true bill" is honestly an embarrassment that many prosecutors never see in their entire career.

    I could have seen this get blocked here, but there are still many steps ahead, each will get harder to move forward with.

    Fun fact: I just wrapped up a case as a juror (not a grand juror) this morning. We rendered a verdict of not guilty because there was plenty of reasonable doubt to be had.

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    why don't you take a marker and a white shirt, write that on that shirt, and actually wear it outside, instead of doing this.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why don't you go criticize someone in real life too.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    Today is a good day to use Lemmy.

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    DC is hoping a grand jury will order .

    Fuck these nazis

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  • [–] 51 points 7 months ago (26 children)

    This is a reminder to everyone. If you or someone you know is still on Reddit. Use an extension to bulk deleted everything before deleting the account. You're friends and family are not safe posting on reddit.

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  • [–] 74 points 7 months ago* (15 children)

    I am no fan of reddit but in this case Reddit appears to have championed this users anonymity going so far as to actively draw the ire of the administration.

    • Reddit refused to comply with the initial administrative subpoena
    • the Federal government came back with this grand jury subpoena and warned Reddit not to disclose the existence of the subpoena or they’d consider it interference in federal law enforcement
    • Reddit complied with this new legally binding subpoena, but did not comply with the demand to keep it a secret. In the contrary, they immediately alerted the user of the subpoena which allowed him time to immediately lawyer up.

    You’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    You’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.

    You can choose the location (and thus legal jurisdiction) of your home instance, but yeah, in general, I think that people need to be aware that server operators on the Threadiverse are probably not going to fight legal battles on your behalf.

    We had someone ask about turning over IP addresses to law enforcement a while back on lemmy.today. The lemmy.today server admin gave what I'd call probably a pretty accurate answer.

    https://lemmy.today/post/7255213

    How will Lemmy Today handle IP subpoenas?

    Lemmy instances are run by volunteers who wants to see a social media network without big tech.

    I dont think you can trust any of those volunteers, including this one, to not comply with law enforcement. Thats not why we are running instances. Its about providing a platform without tracking, ads and algorithms for talking to other people and having a good time.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Use a VPN if you have a reason to. :)

    It linked to a similar question for lemmy.dbzer0.com:

    How will dbzer0 handle IP subpoenas?

    Don’t know man. I’m not making enough in donations to pay for the server costs, never mind hiring lawyers. I’ll deal with this when I have to 😅

    There are platforms more-aimed at providing harder pseudonymity. I'd put Hyphanet fairly high on the list of "a pain in the ass to track a poster down due to technical barriers" list (though that comes with very real performance and latency and suchlike costs).

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    To answer for Quokk.au. If I had to, I’d delete the instance and all data before ever handing anything over. They can take me to court if need be.

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  • [+] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Life is not safe. It's pretty relatively safe, as compared to living under a lean-to in the woods with bears and disease carrying insects and such, and even that's safer than people make it out to be. However, there are "dangerous things" out there, both in the woods and in the streets and in the organized crime / government. Are you more likely to die of a car crash, or a malicious action of some organized group, or a car crash arranged by some organized group? It's really hard to be sure, but if the available information is anything close to accurate, you're better off worrying about a car crash than a meteorite strike, or shark bite, or bad people targeting you.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Isn’t Reddit owned by China? WTF is Trump going to do?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Can you do that for a banned account?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    If you wait long enough they'll unban your account. I lost my 10 year old account a few months before the API debacle over referencing piracy in /r/movies and then inadvertently commenting there on an alt account, and just discovered that it was completely restored a few months ago.

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    [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    A'right, this is disgusting, but it's really not Reddit's fault if a Grand Jury requests evidence.

    spoiler
    ___Especially because the Grand Jury hasn't even requested anything yet, I guess?

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