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"Not enough teenagers are being locked into poverty with unwanted children. This is bad for the oligarchs."
not enough meat for the grinder, we got too many wars on the books keep them babies comin!
I feel like that's kind of the core of the birth rate panics across the whole age spectrum by the billionaires. None of these fuckers think 20 years in advance to care about a smaller future workforce, but what a low birthdate impacts immediately is the financial solvency of those potential childrearing parents. Fewer and later births means one fewer pressure they can use to exploit workers.
Capitalism contributes, yes. But, if humanity stays below replacement rate, humanity goes extinct.
Also, no matter how you distribute resources, there are periods of life when your productivity is less that what you need to survive. Everyone has this for many years at the beginning of their life, and those lucky enough to live long enough will have this toward the end of their lives, as aging is the disability that comes for us all. The proven method to sustain persons during those periods is to have enough people in their productive years; it generally requires more than the replacement rate. And, if that doesn't happen, the less productive suffer and die more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk
All that said, I'm against encouraging teenage pregnancy, and for full bodily autonomy -- no one should be forced to let anyone else use their uterus.
The Earth's population has nearly doubled in my lifetime. I'm pretty sure we're not quite endangered yet. I'll also point out that poor countries that tend to spawn brown players are well above replacement levels if you count those as people.
Yeah, I'm not worried about running out of humans globally, and I do think immigration is a fine way for a country to choose to maintain their population.
There's probably something to be said around cultural preservation, and maybe that's a bit easier for "native born" persons. But, I don't know the steelman version of that argument, if there is one.
But, if humanity stays below replacement rate, humanity goes extinct.
I don't think this is a real risk. And if it were, it certainly won't be anytime soon. Fewer people means fewer mouths to feed, fewer homes to build/maintain and less consumption in general, which given how the planet is struggling to continue balance with current human resource consumption, a gradual decline in human population would probably be beneficial in the long run.
To actually threaten humanity's continued existence the number of humans would need to dwindle so low that the societial and the medical infrastructure that permits/causes the declining birth rates would completely collapse and people would naturally start having more kids again in order to keep up with the work on the farms that most people would need to work on at that scale of society
Edit: Put more susinctly, the current declining birth rates are a because of societal changes, not biological ones
it certainly won’t be anytime soon.
Agreed. I think globally we are still above replacement rate.
Fewer people means fewer mouths to feed, fewer homes to build/maintain and less consumption in general
Yes, but no. As the video I linked points out, because of the time delay you get fewer people with maximum productivity while still needed to support people that have sub-self-sustaining productivity. Eventually, you might get to a smaller population that choose to return to above replacement rate, but the demographic squeeze don't got away for another 20-30 years. Once it starts you are stuck in a demographic squeeze, it makes it even harder on everyone, making that choice "harder".
That is a simplification. Sub-self-sustaining productivity doesn't exactly track with age, and how much it takes to sustain a joyful life varies based on a lot of factors; it sort of tracks downward but can also go up if economies of scale shirk or when a new essential utility is introduced by technology.
humanity goes extinct.
... the population decreases. The parts of the population reproducing less becomes smaller than the part reproducing more... and reproduction naturally goes above replacement rate again... Because replacement rate decreases with the population size
I'm against encouraging teenage pregnancy
Encouraging teenage pregnancy isn't the problem. The problem is the encouragement in general. As said, full bodily autonomy - it should remain a right for all.
The problem is the encouragement in general
I don't see why that's a problem. I think it could come in the form of actual benefits, not a just verbal haranguing / extolling based on (not) having children, but that it's good for the birth rate to be slightly above replacement and correcting any divergence should be encouraged.
You're sabotaging your own argument here. You stated full body autonomy to be a right to then dismiss that within this statement.
Also,
no one should be forced to let anyone else use their uterus
Tell me, how does this relate to your current argument?
"full body autonomy" includes but is not limited to "no one [is] forced to let anyone else use their uterus". I don't believe I am sabotaging my own argument, but I'm an idiot, so maybe you just need to be more meticulous in explaining how I am (doing that).
I bring it up because authoritarians often try to restrict bodily autonomy, particularly around uteruses, when trying to do population control (up or down). In fact, while it may not be a acceptable, mainstream view, you don't have to look to hard to find a USian on the right claiming that abortion must (become/stay) illegal because of the "birth rate crisis".
I'm going nuts. I'm from Russia, and Russian officials say insane stuff, and then I read news from the US, and it's the same shit, side view.
Why? Its insane, and it only gets worse. When I lived in the US during Tramp's first term, it wasn't that crazy, despite having+- same names in high places. Now, it's like another country, and too much alike my insane motherland. USA, you're becoming what you hate the most!
Looneytunes, all of them. ☠️
USA, you're becoming what you hate the most!
For ~40% of Americans, this isn't true. They hate Democrats more.
Kinda puts the abstinence only sex ed in a different light. I guess we were just supposed to push out babies and live in trailers the whole time.
They truly want a third world economy
I don't get what is so fucking hard for these pedophile conservative fucks to understand. When you make life fucking impossible to live, no one wants to bring a child into the world.
Instead, their response is, "if we fuck children, we can raise the birth rate."
Fuck these ghouls. They just all need to die already.
Fuck these ghouls
Absolutely not.
Also I'm not young enough for them apparently.
They dont care how hard life is for people, they desperatly need more lives to ruin.
Of course this is a major problem for the pedophile class. For the last 250 years the American Empire was able to function thanks to a countless number of uneducated people locked into perpetual poverty, having children at 14.
I have a female coworker and her daughter is currently eight months pregnant at 14 with a 17-year-old father. She couldn’t be happier. She is also a hardcore republican and a diehard Trump supporter.
Ruin your kids life early that is the republican motto. Trap them in never ending wage slavery.
Yep exactly, it runs in her family. She was pregnant with her first baby at 15 and her husband was in his early 40’s. Her husband is older than her dad by 5 years. She is currently 41 and her husband is 73. She also has a younger sister like 5 years younger and I believe she basically did the same thing being pregnant at 15-16 with a much older man.
Being a teen mom sky rockets the chance your children will become parents as teens
My wife has one branch of her family where 4 generations occured in a 60 year period, the 5 generation photos are pretty neat, and also I'm really happy for the last generation which broke the cycle.
Sounds like she has a sweet trailer.
Actually, no, she lives in an old rundown house that has a bunch of Trump Flags and signs and she lives across the street from a Mexican restaurant and she absolutely hates the Mexicans, but loves eating there every night.
Damn these (slur) and their delicious food and beautiful decor and lovely music! Damn them! Get out get out get out! And dont come back! (But i would like a refill on my horchata please)
I knew someone who was by her own description baby-crazy as a teen and basically seeked out someone to knock her up. Hormones are wild things sometimes. Her child did not repeat the cycle fortunately
Someone should check that doctor's hard-drives.
The 1.56 needs to be over 2 only makes sense if you deny all immigrants access. I would say the population of the U.S. has never declined in its history but that wouldn't be true. We fell by .06% in 1918 do to a couple ignoramus things like the Spanish Flu and world war 1.
If you want population increase... Don't do what Trump has done
If you want population increase… Don’t do what Trump has done
Some of our highest population rates came under Presidents like Trump. The Napoleonic Wars were great for US economic expansion
We don't want a population increase
Why are they so afraid of declining population?
Also, they know what to do to change that, but they won't because that would mean less money flowing to the top.
Fuck 'em.
My adult son told me he wasn't planning on having kids, and said, "Good. I think that's right choice."
They need to keep pumping out low IQ voters because the smart ones keep leaving the party.
There's a very funny juxtaposition between what they actually care about (white children) and what you seem to suggest. Sort of a reverse eugenics theory, where they need more white people because white people are naturally dumber.
They don't only want white people , they want poor, uneducated white people. That's why they work so hard to get teenagers pregnant, take away school lunches and prenatal care, take away abortion rights. That's how they build their base of uneducated impoverished white people.
They don’t only want white people , they want poor, uneducated white people.
Eh. You need a well defined underclass. One of the "perks" of racism is being able to identify at a glance who the in group is supposed to be.
That’s how they build their base of uneducated impoverished white people.
Plenty of the conservative base is well educated and well off.
I remember when teenage pregnancy was the issue of the day and how we had too many young sluts just giving it away.
I guess the zeitgeist shifts when we're a nation governed by pedos
The replacement rate is down to 1.56, meaning every couple is having, on average, 1.56 children in the United States. We need two or above to keep the population at the same amount.
There's actually another way to keep the population up, and it's great for America economically and culturally, and it makes the world a better place at the same time.
Or maybe we give up on an economic model that requires unending population growth? Since you know, we live on a finite planet?
We have to find a path to degrowth. Stop repeating talking points that imply population growth is our only path forward.
Did you not understand that I was talking about immigration? Which is one of the ways we solve that. All of that.
Besides which we're actually talking about keeping the population stable. A declining population is bad for everyone economically. Luckily population growth naturally slows down in modernized societies, which is why allowing people to immigrate is good for everyone.
Global population growth is happening. Slowing down, but looks inevitable for at least several more decades. Given that baseline, it is optimal for all countries involved to allow immigration from countries with population growth (reduces strain on government services, adds to the economy with remittances) to countries with lower birth rates (tax revenues support social service budgets, increased entrepreneur rate of immigrants increases job growth, etc.)
Economies can transition to population decline while maintaining standards of living for sure, if handled in a planned way. Some short-term pain during the transition, then fine later. But why go through a combination of short-term pain right now, at the same time as incredible cruelty is required to keep out migrants?
A path to degrowth will be needed globally in the medium-term future (finite planet), but trying to implement that now at just the US locally isn't going to help the planet at all.
great for america
Oof. Not the selling point you think it is.
makes the world a better place
Theres your problem.
Im saying they dont see it as a selling point. Im speaking of a third party's perspective here. This is a really really basic level of abstraction imusing here, cmon.
These were the same morons that decried teen pregnancy 20+ years ago
WHY are Children NOT having Kids?
-Protect The Kids TM Republicans!
Sooo more life destroying, unplanned underage pregnancies?
"We beat teen pregnancy!" - "Oh no!"
Elaborated: "Oh no! Fewer poverty-locked consumer slaves! Who do we convince breast feeding is unhealthy and peddle formula to? How will we paint immigration as a bad thing if unemployment goes down? What if - heaven forbid - social mobility goes up?"
lamenting that birth rates are down among teenagers aged 15 to 19.
Wait, they want 15 year-old having kids?!!
Oh wait, it's Faux News. Yeah, gotta keep them young'uns overwhelmed with babies so they don't have time to do horrible things like express their concerns, or educate themselves, or aspire to their own dreams. Makes perfect sense.
Maybe it's because people can't afford to feed themselves and actually realise that having 1-2 additional mouths to feed isn't a recipe for happiness.
He should focus on people having free education, free healthcare, jobs that allow them to have a decent life, but he and pieces of shit like him ruined millions of lives and will ruin millions more and a failing economy won't stimulate a population boom.
Oh no! Sex ed is working and preventing non-ideal pregnancies?! The sky must be falling!
I think not having kids is the only realistic way to fight those capitalistic overlords. They can't continue to get richer if the workforce, who does all the dirty work for them, keeps shrinking.
It feels so weird hearing shit like this after spending your teenage years hearing about the horrors of teenage pregnancy.



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