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[–] 159 points 7 months ago (2 children)

First we had Luigi.

Now we have Warehouse Luigi, a Waluigi, if you will.

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  • [–] 109 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    New union tactic: start openly organizing, and threaten to burn the building down if they try to union bust

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago

    Unfortunately both them (and us) forgot that this is the kind of thing their new deal tried to prevent. We didn't get 8 hour days and 5 day weeks because we asked nicely and they felt generous. We got it because workers back then burnt down shit and the bosses were at a reasonable fear they were gonna get got.

    We need to put the fear back into the rich again if we need to see real change.

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  • [–] 96 points 7 months ago* (19 children)

    Who would win?

    One disgruntled boi with a lighter

    or

    A billion dollar company

    Where's my stapler?

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I… uh… unfortunately, I’m gonna go with the billion dollar company.

    Insurance will cover most of the damage, the dude will end up in prison, and at most the worst that the company will suffer is higher premiums.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I am hoping insurance will do all it can to deny and even then charge more moving forward.

    Alternatively, the company heads will get scared knowing their house is flammable too.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Personally I’d never want to burn down someone’s house. If I found out afterwards they had a pet, I’d have something to feel bad about.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I have seen this repeatedly, and while I understand that it would be sad, what is more valuable: 1-3 pets, or all the humans that will have their lives destroyed by the fuck you set fire to?

    Did you forget why we were here? Liberation isn't free. Dead animals are very sad. I get it. A dead ecosystem includes many dead animals. Like, MANY.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    This is a concept that a lot of people struggle with. They lose sight of the bigger picture and simply react to what's right in front of them.

    This is why having class consciousness is important. It puts everything into perspective.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    As much as I support the dude's sentiments, I gotta go with the billion dollar company winning on this one. He's not getting paid, likely facing prison time, fines, and legal fees, and the billion dollar company files an insurance claim.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago

    As a singular instance, sure. But if people become inspired to organize to continue these actions across multiple industries, then we begin to destabilize the system.

    He struck a blow, and showed people it is possible to fight back. That's a win in my book, regardless of the price he had to pay to achieve it.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I wonder if these kind of things become common enough would insurance companies start charging business higher premiums based on average employees wages because a poor employee is more liable to snap and burn the place down.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Oh nice, I thought this was in Ontario. Some difference though.

    *It was in a town called Ontario, in California... D:

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It says it's 40 miles away from ontario

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    No, it says

    Thick smoke billows from the roof of the Kimberly-Clark paper products facility Tuesday in Ontario ... 40 miles east of Los Angeles

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    While we were distracted with Iran, Washington and Oregon joined Canada and allowed their army to begin annexing into SoCal. Western Washington/Oregon was cool with it for social reasons; Eastern was cool with it for gas prices.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    The initial estimate found the paper product inside the warehouse being worth $500 million the building itself being worth $150 million

    Damn. Thoughts and prayers. Though it does suck for the people who lost jobs over this.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Nobody lost a job that was paying enough to live there. They should open a co-op in the ashes... Of course it'll still be profitable enough for the company to rebuild and refill the warehouse.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    It was still a job for those people. If they aren’t being paid enough, sudden unemployment would be pretty scary. I’m not passing judgement on the act, just recognizing the situation that this has put those workers in.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Company should have paid enough to live.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Yes, and now the decision of one man has put several others out of work. Consequences.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    The decision of a company to not pay a living wage has forced a man's hand to fight back against his own oppression. Unfortunately others have been caught in the crossfire.

    Let's place the blame where it belongs.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Two comments up, I said that I was not taking a position on the act. But to suggest he was forced to burn down that building is edgelord at best.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's called "having solidarity" mate.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If that were to happen to my place of work, I’d be screwed. I’m not sure that I’d see it has “having solidarity”, more so “unemployment is less than half of what I take in each week, and I have bills, and rent. Fuck.”. I have solidarity with those who wish to come together, to fight for what’s important to them. Destroying the workplace takes their voices away.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    You would be screwed because of the same system of oppression that the one burning down the place of work was suffering from which pushed them to that action.

    It's called solidarity and class consciousness.

    Destroying the work place is praxis.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    [someone] was charged by federal authorities with arson of a building used in interstate and foreign commerce

    So because they sell wares in other states, it's a felony? Not sure I agree with that.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Showed a comrade this: "Why did he document himself‽”

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Eh. Really, if you do something this big, your chances of not getting caught are virtually zero. Might as well spread your message yourself so the media can't later twist it and say you were just mad at your boss or something.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I'm glad nobody was hurt, he waited until after midnight to set it. But maybe someone needs to call the fire marshals on the Kimberly Clark warehouses. I can hear a fire alarm at the end, and I'm no fire safety engineer, but it doesn't look like there are signs of sprinklers or other fire suppression systems?

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  • [–] 80 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Don't have the full article but there was fire suppression. Then the fire team showed up, evacuated the building, and, at the behest of the company, shut off the system to prevent further damage to the rest of the products as the fire team was handling the original fire.

    Then the dude went around and started burning other pallets in different parts of the warehouse.

    Waluigi here had a plan and executed it.

    Should have paid them enough to live.

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  • [–] 58 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, that's very interesting. If that's true, someone should tell Kimberly-Clark's insurers that they deliberately shut off fire suppression during a fire. Maybe this will actually cost them a few dollars?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's standard practice to shut down a fire suppression system after the fire is extinguished: the water will cause more damage than the fire did if you don't. The owner is responsible for having someone on "fire watch" until the activated sprinkler heads are replaced and the system is put back into service -- which needs to be done by someone qualified to do so.

    It sounds like they did everything "right" in that regard, they just didn't realize the guy starting fires was still there.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Can a fire really be considered watched if they don't fully confirm there aren't other fires? I get that it was a big place to watch and he was deliberately trying to destroy as much as he could, but it blows my mind a little that he succeeded that hard at executing his plan if they were doing things correctly... he annihilated a 1.2 million square feet warehouse with a single Zippo.

    Where I am, if the building alarms go off and the second-tier of our automated systems calls fire services, the fire service (not just the company's wardens) will walk through the entire complex to confirm there are no fires left. Even if it's a false alarm, even if it's the third false alarm that day (which is how we discovered one our very sensitive alarms had an electrical fault one time...). Even if you shut off the water, if there are remaining fires, our smoke / heat / IR detectors will reactivate the alarm systems.

    Either way, even if KC is somehow not at fault, their premiums surely will go up and by much more than they would have spent paying their subcontractors properly. And insurers try to avoid paying, so it will hopefully be costly just for the legal and admin side.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Damn bro wasn't fucking around

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Funny enough even in fox news apparently people are calling it a fire insurance scam.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I am very curious about the circumstances leading up to this

    And I’m very curious how long his court case will take.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Anyone got some more context for this please? (Apart from the obvious)

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    Unavailable

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    One might call it a burning rage at the injustice of the system.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    (In case juries are watching) It could be AI though

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This won't end with wage increases

    This will end in investment in metal detectors and pay downs and shit like that to ensure employees won't be able to come in with lighters anymore

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The only way this fella is getting out of jail is in a bodybag :/

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