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[–] 122 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why was chat control allowed to be presented again in the first place.

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  • [–] [S] 75 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    this is the real thing, this is almost certainly unconstitutional.

    greedy corps going against law as usual.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago*

    No, not really. It's because they retracted the proposal before going to vote, because they knew it wouldnt pass after Germany publicly said they would vote against.

    Then they changed some stuff and send it again, which is now rejected as it seems.

    Now they need to wait, but they didnt before.

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  • [–] 74 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Why do we have to keep fighting our own government for our rights? Why can't our government just represent us?

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    it's indicative of the system we're in. our oligarchs have enough money to pay people to push for this in perpetuity while the rest of us are forced to give up some degree of our lives to fight it off on a field of battles that's tilted towards money; they will win eventually unless the system itself is changed.

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    BY ONE FUCKING VOTE!

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

    Vote out every single fucker who is trying to limit our freedoms!

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Thats actually insane in itself that it got that close. Next time they will succeed. :/

    People are so stupid to support this. They dont seem to understand that its never about protecting anyone and its always about building dystopia.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    i don't understand, was EPP for or against the extension ? Cause my understanding was that they asked to have a second vote even if the first one already rejected the extension.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't understand the votes on that website, most people from EPP voted 👎 (against the extension) but that means they are against chat control? Or in favor? What european parties are opposing to the chat control, I want to know which parties we can trust on this matter.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago

    as another comment said, EPP was against this proposal due to it being not strict enough. They want full control of your chat (e2ee ones too). they were afraid that this would set a precedent for limits for chat control and voted againts

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    as regards the extension of its period of application

    does it mean that this vote was only about the extension of the regulation that allowed voluntary participation in scanning for chat providers?

    honestly, that's the lesser of the worries, we know facebook and fo are scanning all messages going through them no matter what

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    also, I was surprised that in my conservative country no MEP voted with acceptance. but maybe it's because the proposal included adding clauses like this?

    (v) not applied to interpersonal communications to which end-to-end encryption is, has been or will be applied;

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-10-2026-0070_EN.html

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    That sounds kinda reasonable then. If the company has access to the chat logs in plain text, they should probably be scanning it for CSAM. Though the use of AI to identify it is concerning, given the low accuracy. And I guess there's also the risk of communications with someone's doctor being flagged.

    On reflection it's still a dumb law.

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago* (16 children)

    Where can I see who voted for and against? I want to know if I need to change who I vote for next EU election.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Scroll down and select your country: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

    It's always the ones you most expect.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    Green = "opposing", red = "supporting".... "chat control extension". I guess the greens are against the chat control proposal, though that's hardly clear, and there seem to be more reds than greens so that suggests the chat control proposal was accepted, or is there some other layer to this? Also the stance of a state bears no relation to that of its representatives. Very confusing

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    352 against

    248 pro

    44 undecided

    A simple majority will do

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm talking about a web page linked to by MoffKalast, see comments above

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Well the proposal is to extend the temporary exemption that expires on April 4.
    As it is now under this exemption THEY ARE ALREADY doing their dystopian scanning.
    Since there is no legal framework to do this they and it's against the current laws they use this exemption until they can force the final law that legalizes it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The "Chat Control" proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos.

    it's explained right there above the vote summary

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's not the topic of the vote I'm trying to clarify but rather trying to make sense of that web page showing who is voting for what, and how, if at all that is connected to the European Parliament vote. That website suggests overwhelming support for the proposal at both state and representative level, I'm not sure what to make of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah it seems to be backwards, they voted for an "Extension of the temporary derogation", which I assume means if do you want to take more time to discuss this problem vote yes, or vote no to enact the newly proposed law now. Which is why the greens are paradoxically for the proposal and the EPP is against. Another layer of shenanigans to confuse people I guess.

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    It could be, although it also seems that "opposing" representatives are usually of the left/green persuasion and the right wing is mostly "supporting", which is not what I'd expect to see in that case. All I can say for sure is that it's very confusing.

    EDIT: thanks for that link 😁

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

    I think that Patrick posted it. basically the ones against where the conservatives, both left and right where against (even if there were some people inside those parities who voted to continue the scanning)

    EDIT: apparently EPP voted against not because they want to support privacy but because the proposal was not enough invasive. they were afraid that it would have stopped their Chat control 2.0 proposal.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What?
    I see conservatives+ extreme right pro. Also some fake left

    Against greens -real left.

    (Not absolute since they vote individually)

    But by faction:

    pro: EPP,ECR, ID/Patriots

    Against: EFA, The Left, Renew Europe, S&D(divided)

    Undecided: S&D, Renew Europe

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

    EPP and ECR voted against extension, but IIRC the reason is that they wanted stricter controls instead. Most other parties were largely in favour of extending the current chat control mandate.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    True, was confused.
    This was the result on the initial proposal, not the vote on extension of the exemption.
    So as I understand it, we already have chat control since there is no legal framework (initial proposal didn't pass) and this exemption allows them to spy on us.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why can't they vote on a ban to do any chat control bills? Stop this nonsense from happening again.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Let’s celebrate this victory… even though it’s concerning that it is a recurring topic :-/

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    Good, but pretty meaningless overall while they still allow lobbying to take place.

    They pretend to care that lobbying means corruption from corporate interests, but doing anything meaningful to stop lobbying entirely and punish anyone still doing it would be "authoritarian communism" now, wouldn't it?

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago*

    They'll just change a few things and try again. I feel like we've been hearing about chat control on and off for about 5 years now and I can't imagine it'll go away soon.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Saw this then scrolled more to see the EU going after porn sites for age verification. 😞

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    Congratulations!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I imagine they're thinking, "Well we will see what the new vote next month has to say about that!"

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    If politicans say something the opposite seems to happen so good bye private chats :(

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  • [+] -7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)