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CHAT CONTROL REJECTED AGAIN BY PARLIAMENT (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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[–] 40 points 7 months ago* (16 children)

Where can I see who voted for and against? I want to know if I need to change who I vote for next EU election.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Scroll down and select your country: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

    It's always the ones you most expect.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    Green = "opposing", red = "supporting".... "chat control extension". I guess the greens are against the chat control proposal, though that's hardly clear, and there seem to be more reds than greens so that suggests the chat control proposal was accepted, or is there some other layer to this? Also the stance of a state bears no relation to that of its representatives. Very confusing

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    352 against

    248 pro

    44 undecided

    A simple majority will do

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm talking about a web page linked to by MoffKalast, see comments above

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Well the proposal is to extend the temporary exemption that expires on April 4.
    As it is now under this exemption THEY ARE ALREADY doing their dystopian scanning.
    Since there is no legal framework to do this they and it's against the current laws they use this exemption until they can force the final law that legalizes it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The "Chat Control" proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos.

    it's explained right there above the vote summary

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It's not the topic of the vote I'm trying to clarify but rather trying to make sense of that web page showing who is voting for what, and how, if at all that is connected to the European Parliament vote. That website suggests overwhelming support for the proposal at both state and representative level, I'm not sure what to make of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah it seems to be backwards, they voted for an "Extension of the temporary derogation", which I assume means if do you want to take more time to discuss this problem vote yes, or vote no to enact the newly proposed law now. Which is why the greens are paradoxically for the proposal and the EPP is against. Another layer of shenanigans to confuse people I guess.

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    It could be, although it also seems that "opposing" representatives are usually of the left/green persuasion and the right wing is mostly "supporting", which is not what I'd expect to see in that case. All I can say for sure is that it's very confusing.

    EDIT: thanks for that link 😁

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

    I think that Patrick posted it. basically the ones against where the conservatives, both left and right where against (even if there were some people inside those parities who voted to continue the scanning)

    EDIT: apparently EPP voted against not because they want to support privacy but because the proposal was not enough invasive. they were afraid that it would have stopped their Chat control 2.0 proposal.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    What?
    I see conservatives+ extreme right pro. Also some fake left

    Against greens -real left.

    (Not absolute since they vote individually)

    But by faction:

    pro: EPP,ECR, ID/Patriots

    Against: EFA, The Left, Renew Europe, S&D(divided)

    Undecided: S&D, Renew Europe

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574

    EPP and ECR voted against extension, but IIRC the reason is that they wanted stricter controls instead. Most other parties were largely in favour of extending the current chat control mandate.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    True, was confused.
    This was the result on the initial proposal, not the vote on extension of the exemption.
    So as I understand it, we already have chat control since there is no legal framework (initial proposal didn't pass) and this exemption allows them to spy on us.

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