The surprising order means any new Wi-Fi router models sold in the country must be US-made, or receive an exemption from the Pentagon or Homeland Security Department.

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[–] 103 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They're gonna tell you this is the only way to be sure that routers don't contain a backdoor. They're gonna tell themselves this is the only way to be sure that routers do contain a backdoor.

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  • [–] 72 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Obvious move toward even more of a surveillance state. My current router is not US made and my next one definitely won't be. Buying American made is buying a little piece of fascism.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Very little is American made.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I have some insight for the average joe.

    When you buy an American made product its a sham 99% of the time.

    I used to run an injection molding machine for a job. And made parts for a well known brand.

    The parts where made from LG plastics from china, on a Japanese injection molding machine ran by me. That got paid $16.40 an hour, with no benefits.

    The parts said "made in America" on the mold.

    Utter sham, im all for american jobs. But its bullshit to say its made in america. When all the parts that make it are not American.

    There should be some legal president that if it says "made in america" it must be 98% american resources.

    Not some dog eggs, of well i bought some plastic from china and the machine from japan. And had the american press the button to make the part. Therefore its an american made product.

    Now im not saying all company's are like that but majority of them are.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    We get parts from Japan, unassembled. They already have made in america stamped into the side. They get put together by a couple robots and sent out the door with a huge markup for the locally manufactured parts. Local heroes keeping the community employed since 1986!

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago

    Exemptions will be sold by Trump to major manufacturers outside of the US. They will also come with mandatory back doors.

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  • [–] 50 points 7 months ago

    Welp, time to stock up on some older routers or make my own. This country is looking more Orwellian by the day.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    curious (well not really) that it is only consumer grade. nothing about business grade, of even a deliniation as to where "pro-sumer" falls. if this is a big brother situation then the consumer only thing makes perfect sense. it also drives users back to isp supplied hardware which means more rental fees, so more money CEOs.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Won't be surprised if the ISP provided hardware is going to be the only allowed stuff. For you and me, not for the gov't or companies though. They specifically only mentioned "consumer grade" and also specifically state that products sold to or used by the federal gov't are not restricted at all. Seems like that carve-out is backwards if these things are such big "security risks"...

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  • [–] 85 points 7 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    does this support wireless, aka Wi-Fi? I can't tell from a ~1 minute skim

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Just to remind you as the surveillance state crawls further up between your kidneys that Epstein used a free gmail account hosted on US servers and nobody did dick about him.

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    [–] 31 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    When filing for an exemption, the company needs to submit a specific plan for how they're going to move manufacturing to the US 💀

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Same goes for EV's, mobile phones etc. The US is one of the most limited countries in the world with regards to choice.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    So the spyware will be built into American-made routers. Got it.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago

    OH BOY! State sanctioned surveillance because backdoors are necessary.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Interesting addition to the "free market" system we all just love so, so much.

    Its obvious its for spying. Until there is a telescope stuck up every non rich citizens ass the US government will not give up.

    People should rewatch that interview with the creator of Lavabit and how the feds forced him into a shutdown because he wouldn't play their spy games.

    He is still not allowed to talk about all the details of it either. "What about my first amendment rights" he said in the interview.

    You know, just things in the land of the free™

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Do you have a link to it? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it, so idk what to look for.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spW0q-g2BxU&pp=ygUZTGF2YWJpdCBmb3VuZGVyIGludGVydmlldw%3D%3D

    I'm sorry its a YouTube link I would link invidious or something similar but man I can't ever seem to get the links to those to reliably work consistently.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    No way tech companies won't manipulate this to their benefit right? Gonna be having routers shipped in decoy packages. I'm not buying backdoor infested mess they're gonna peddle at an unreasonable price cause there can be no outside competition.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I'm in Ohio. I wonder how hard it'd be to drive to Canada, pick up a router, and drive back?

    Or hell......maybe just drive to Canada. I'm sure I can find a job and a place to live, right? Just go to a Tim Hortons and say "Hey, I'm gonna work hete now, because fuck America!" and Canadians are like, legally obligated to be nice. I'm sure it'll all work out, as long as I share some donuts.

    The hardest part will be getting used to pink money.

    I mean, seriously Canada? You a big fan of monopoly money?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I’m in Ohio. I wonder how hard it’d be to drive to Canada, pick up a router, and drive back?

    You jest, but I suspect this is going to be a Thing. I mean, people were willing to do it for eggs (and getting caught at the border), and a router's a rather larger purchase.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (10 children)

    what if th government prohibits your ISP from initilizing your routers MAC address because its not one on an approved list?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Routers are not modems.

    Put your router behind the company issued modem and then VPN out.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Every broadband connection I've had looks at the mac address of whatever is behind the modem, the modem essentially passes it through.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    No it doesn’t. Go learn about networking, the OSI model, and ARP tables if you believe that.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Be less of an asshole, it's free. I've been sniffing packets from cable modems since the 90s. I even remember the mac address of my first network card - 00a0cc52cac7, because mediaone gave out persistent hostnames based on your mac address before they were bought by at&t. I once putty'd into my machine from Katmandu just because I could. Incidentally, when I called at&t support to find out if this would continue, their support rep had no idea what I was talking about, and after I mentioned mac addresses, he suggested I call apple.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    It's not being an asshole. It's correcting misinformation. There is no tone on the internet so if you read someone as being an asshole it might be a you problem, not a them problem. Sniffing packets doesn't mean you understand networking as evidenced by the fact you think the modem is broadcasting your computer's MAC address.

    Just go read up on networking and you'll realize that wouldn't make sense.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Just go read up on networking and you'll realize that wouldn't make sense.

    That right there is you being an asshole. If that's who you are, that's fine, but at least be honest about it. I know I'm an asshole, so you're not hurting my feelings any by turning it back on me.

    If you would like to not be an asshole, a good start would be to accept that you don't know everything, and just because your experience differs from mine doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's fully possible what I observed between 30 and 15 years ago was unusual, or maybe it was common then but isn't now- and if you had led with that, I might have conceded that you may at least have more current knowledge than I. It's also possible I didn't explain myself clearly enough, and we're just misunderstanding each other- a layer 8 problem, if you will.

    you think the modem is broadcasting your computer's MAC address.

    Well, considering I was seeing arp packets from mac addresses of every other machine on my segment pretty much continuously, what conclusion would you come to?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So ship all the parts here and assemble them here... foreign companies have been doing this for decades.

    I'm sure some moron thinks this will "create jobs". I'll let you guess who the moron is.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'm guessing to receive an exemption they just need to pay a relatively cheap bribe

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  • *Unless you pay tribute to the authoritarian government.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This will not stand. Remember, TACO.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Does anyone have any suggestions on a router I should buy before this comes into effect? Would prefer one that is open source or can run an open OS.

    Can a raspberry pi be used to make a router?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    this isn't for everyone. if you don't know what a subnet or gateway are then this isn't for you.

    get yourself a micro firewall appliance. something with an N100 Intel. should have around 5 network ports, you'll only really need 2 if you're just hooking up internet.

    you'll also want to get an unmanaged network switch. this will take your one port on your router and split it into 8,12,24,48, etc.

    you'll also want to install opnsense or pfsense on your router, configure it correctly, and maintain updates going forward.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why do I need the network switch?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    think of the network switch like a coax splitter on a TV antenna. it takes one port and allows many devices to connect.

    in opnsense each port on the router can be setup as a completely different network subnet. this is actually the default and the easiest to configure.

    for me personally, I have one port for regular network access. one for secure no internet access (things like cameras, IOT, smart devices). and one for a work network so all my work devices connect directly to the internet and bypass all my other infrastructure.

    this gives me flexibility for all the devices on my network, but for most people is overkill.

    you can set opnsense up to use all ports under one network, but it's kind of a PITA from my experience.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    This will benefit a few specific big brands that have the lawyers to figure out the spaghetti mess of free trade agreements and origin rules.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Brendan Carr is such a dummy!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I wonder if this has anything to do with them clawing back WiFi7 spectrum for resale.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Given Ubiquiti's Russian connections, and TP Link's Chinese connections, this honestly isn't surprising.

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