“The people that are the most susceptible to the corporate bullshit tended to choose the worst solutions to those problems on a consistent basis,” Littrell said.

Hmmmmmmmm.

Well that goes some way partially to explaining why management at large corporations almost as a rule are uselessly incompetent.

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[–] 74 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I'm a programmer. I'm literally paid to think. The number of times I've had to attend a corporate wide event and been asked to just not think about the shit they are spewing is unacceptable--and every time the sales guys just lap it all up.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    But also, when they 'think' of something, it's basically your fault of their idea doesn't work, even if you told them why it wouldn't work.

    I had a ... VP of Marketing, basically, once suggest to me that I 'implement the blockchain' ... into our entire PostgreSQL system.

    ... These people are an idiot nobility, its just their thought patterns that are inbred, this time.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 7 months ago

    Oh interesting I thought the job of a programmer was to be paid to fix AI slop vibe code made by clueless management who would have done better by coming to you and asking you to think in the first place.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Uuh I feel you, my older job got worse and worse until it had up to 25 meetings a week... All bullshit.

    When I complained it was first brushed off as not true, then I screenshotted a week with 25 meetings (senior software dev, but not manager) and that got some attention finally and actions were taken to reduce the number of meetings.

    So they started with "stand up meetings" doesn't count, so those 5 meetings does not count ... (So down to 20, right?) Because they are not meetings, right? Stand up Meetings...

    And all mandatory of course, except they said they were not, miss obe and you'd get problems and childish lectures about corpo culture and crap.

    Can't make that shit up. And yeah, people running on hot air love corporate speak and corporate everything ugh, probably they think they're finally productive or something.

    /Rant off!

    I'm no longer there, good luck to you!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    "Standups" by video call where everyone is sitting. That sounds like corporate thinking.

    Just this week I had someone try and book a half hour call with me to get the url for a repository.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And yet the more corporate bullshit you "fall" for, the more you seem to get paid.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    "Gullible idiots: bad at everything? More at 6."

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sometimes we need studies like this to point out the obvious.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    Littrell noted the workers who participated in the study all came from highly educated backgrounds in HR, accounting, marketing and finance, had bachelor’s degrees and even PhDs, which shows the findings go beyond simply assessing the intelligence of the study participants.

    Actually, I'm not convinced that we've managed to eliminate that hypothesis. The only group that gives me pause is accounting.

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    A PhD is when you know everything about one specific rock on the beach, is how I put it. You know exactly where it is, all of its properties, and can go to it any time. Outside of that one rock, maybe a slightly above-average person, but nothing special.

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Generally speaking a PhD requires producing original research. Which ass-tier PhDs are you referencing that only require learning?

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  • [+] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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    PhD is really mostly a proxy for how rich or educated your parents were. And rich people always score higher on general intelligence because they are better educated due to money. Less than a 1/3 of PhD students are first-generation. Meaning 2/3 of them have parents who have advanced degrees.

    I was a first gen PhD student. I was the only one in my cohort of 20 students who was. Everyone else had highly educated parents. I ended up quitting because the deck was so incredibly stacked against me, and my dream job/career was basically the lazy fall-back career of folks who had generations of education and money carrying them through life.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I mean that's mostly true. Coming up with novel ideas and how to test them is a small (but critical) part of the job. Still I agree, you don't actually spend that much time on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    No it doesn't. You are confusing the ideal of a PhD with the reality.

    Most PhDs are doing bland derivative safe stuff, to get their degree and get a job. Very few are doing anything legitimately original. And most of them won't get a job in their field anyway. We have way too many PhDs because they are the cheap labor for teaching in the university systems, that have over-enrolled for decades so they have to hire less faculty.

    Most of my cohort in grad school did not belong there, at a mid-level state school. Only about 1/4 of us were serious about our studies. Yeah, at elite schools you will be doing original research for sure, at most low/mid level programs (and there are a lot) most PhDs are just people with good grades killing time tying to figure out what they want out of life, and a PhD is a good way to do that for 5-10 years. The time to graduate has been going up to over 6 years on average now.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Mmm you know that's a good point, I never even considered looking at mid or low tier programs when I was school shopping. Your point reminds me of Mike Israetel's embarrassing doctorate that he likes to use as a kudgle. I could have done his dissertation without the typos and I am educated in a completely different field.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    All of those sound structured backgrounds that apply fixed definitions and derivatives based on that. They lack a developed sense of creativity outside the rigidity of their domain and so, are pretty much biological LLMs after a decade of purposed training and instructions.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Hmmm..let's take this idea and run it up the flagpole, see if anyone salutes it.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    fuck. i instinctively downvote scott adams even though he's dead

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    He understood exactly how many bullshit jobs exist in corporate culture.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Corporate Bullshit" = "Mission Statement"

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Oh man, I was part of a small non profit for years. I loved it.

    I quit once they decided they needed a mission statement, because the enshittification had begun. And now instead of doing work and standing on their own, they are on social media grandstanding for clout and begging for money... because it was no longer about doing good work and helping people, it was about getting a fatter paycheck. And you get that by leaning into the corporate bullshit marketing crap.

    I’m a programmer. I’m literally paid to think. The number of times I’ve had to attend a corporate wide event and been asked to just not think about the shit they are spewing is unacceptable–and every time the sales guys just lap it all up.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Morons are bad at their jobs. Who knew?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    You're not relaying accurately: the underachievers and floating job cancers pretend to fall for corporate bullshit because being cheerleaders covers up their ineptitude.

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    [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Corporate-speak is just how people gloss over the details while making others think they know what they're talking about. It's just the evolution of the basic investor sales tactic to sell something that doesn't actually exist yet to get someone to pay for the development of that product. Only in this case they're using the tactic on each other to get people to pay them money while providing no actual value while their subordinates are forced to waste time adapting their work to those nonsense words.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Of course they are. They can't actually compete so they drink the kool-aid to justify keeping them around.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    wow. I must have been a great at my job. I mean that does not logically follow but, you know, feels good to think that way.

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    "Leveraging"

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    kiss asses kiss ass because they suck, more on that at 10

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