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[–] 115 points 7 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I have the same experience and it drives me nuts - if I wanted English results, I'd search in English!

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  • [+] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Still, it refuses to make those buttons optional.

    Not only that, back before I left Ecosia a few months ago, it kept forgetting that I turned off AI summaries. Every week or so it would turn back on... I'll try DuckDuckGo's noai prefix this time, that hopefully won't have this issue. (I really like Ecosia's mission, but come on...)

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Sadly Ecosia is not good for more niche topics or foreign languages. After a few months of use, I went back to Google with &udm=14 😕

    Edit: Though with Google now falsifying site titles I'll have to look for an alternative... I wonder if they do the same towards the providers that rely on them, like DuckDuckGo?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Startpage is google through a proxy server, and I noticed an article mislabeled the other day as such from there for a link I posted here.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    All true, but it generally shows you search results in a reasonable order and including reliable sources. Like a fine-tuner for Google that doesn't feed them your data. At least not that we know of....

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah but it has really gone downhill since 2021 especially, to the point of being virtually worthless. The only quick answers offered now on the search page are by design ai, all the results are machine written seo, restating the question in every possible way to hit results, then explaining why someone would want to know the answer to that question in exhaustive detail, then a short paragraph with the answer, that you have to wade through the drivel to find, when it used to put it on the search page results.

    They don't provide streaming links anymore, defective merchandise only returns links to the companies that make those products on forums they moderate (looking at you best buy everything you sell is now defective, never again,) and articles aren't provided, even with exact information, date, name of article, name of publication, subject matter. They aren't even trying and will give you completely unrelated information.

    I wouldn't be mad if I didn't know it could work better. When it did initially work, I was surprised at how well it returned information. I know it can work better because it did work better.

    We need free to the user search that is geared to work for us, not for advertisers and others that pay them, or the armies of often automated programs to write articles to his search engines despite being garbage information.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Lovely. Next you're going to tell me Proton mail went evil. (Thanks for the explanation though! I'll have a look at Kagi).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    As a matter of fact I have just this morning talked about protonmail being corrupted by the administration. Tuta is where it's at. Protonmail eats dick. 79-year-old fat (person's) disgusting diaper dick.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Protip, you can use your hostsfile or your router to block google so you don't get tempted. If you may have to bypass, you can use some blocking extensions to allow an override after a nag screen chastising yourself for being weak willed. I rarely reach for the goog nowadays because I have a whole workflow I go through before giving in.

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  • [–] 54 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    What the fuck are we supposed to do when the services we use are monopolies which actively seeks to destroy its competition as well as enshittify itself to a point its unusable :|

    Time to start self hosting. 

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    And pirate. Steal anything they try and sell to you

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    ten year ago there were still things we could have done to stop google. now is too late...

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    These entities may have gone but their ghosts never left. They only got up ended because of paradigm shifts, not because the system that allowed them to exist got fixed. The new stuff that replaced the old ones eventually goes on the same path. I am not hopeful anything ever will happen.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Techbro feudalists are all in on AI. They promised it would replace the human workforce and got initial investments and repeated support from money that should have been smarter then that, but the allure of firing all their workers proved too strong.

    Now, they’re sitting on a trillion dollar house of cards. They’ll continue to fail upward. The correction will be delayed as they all move money between each other to cover bad investments.

    At least Dutch tulips provided actual value. They could be planted and grow to be something real. LLM “AI” was always a scam.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Tulips have no value. I don't care what anyone says.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You can care or not all day long but you’re still wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Found the dutchman. I do envy you guys out there, free healthcare, good pay, a social safety net, and all the tulips you can eat!

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  • [+] 34 points 7 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I may switch to them as my primary provider. They seem to source results from Bing, and with the noai prefix hopefully won't keep turning on AI summary like Ecosia does 😑

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I tried looking for an instruction PDF for some stage lights the other day. No amount of "google-fu" could find the right thing. Links labeled as one model showed stuff for other models when clicked, and the god awful summary that it shoves in your face was just full of contradictions of itself. Google is warm trash water at this point.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I find the same thing with vehicle years, I look for say a fuse box layout for a 1985 c20 truck and I will get nothing but genaric trash or stuff for 2021 model years. I used to be able to use "year" but even that has stopped working. Like how do you fuck model and year up?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!!

    Goddamn fuckers just won’t stop!!!

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Absolute pricks. "Don't do evil" they said.

    AI has biases. News are titled to be biased too. This is grounds for fake news.

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    "Don't be evil" hasn't been an official guiding principle for over a decade, no.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I'd trust an LLM to summarize an article and give it an honest title over a piece of shit journalist that wrote it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    In the short-lived news app Artifact, that was one of my favorite features. It was done on demand, and if a high portion of early viewers asked for a rewritten title, the rewrite would become the default for future viewserves.

    In the Artifact implementation, the LLM was specifically prompted by the app to summarize the article with an honest, non-clickbaity title. In Google's case, they claim they are prompting the LLM to title the link to better tempt the searcher to click on it based on what they were searching for. Kind of the opposite. Yes, LLMs could do what you say, but that doesn't seem to be how Google is setting it up.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    Sloplines.

    Breaking Hallucinations!

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    Before long they will use it to just create their own sites. Their own articles. Why replace just the headline. A whole internet of just google ai generated bs. Just search something on Google and everything from there on is ai generated. All results. All pictures. The maps. Everything. Nothing will be real.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Wow. Thats horrible. Google has been a shitty search engine for a while now, but this is even worse.

    I quit using them as my main search probably 5 years ago. But I get that most people still use it and most people will be misled.

    Awful.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What engines would you advise to someone who is thinking about ditching google?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Apparently this has been going on for a while but The Verge started sounding the alarm 3 months ago. They know most people won't read more than a couple sentences past a headline if they even open the article at all. Confirmation bias is about to go wild

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago*

    "Hey, we got this new invention that kinda works if you don't stress it too much, so we don't really know what to do with it, but it's hype so we must include it somewhere prominently. Ideas?"

    Like reinventing the wheel, only it's "intelligent" now.

    "But we already have headlines?"

    Of course that does not address the economical/political conspiracies involved here.

    AI is a scurge on humanity & our environment, and so is Google. Use other search engines.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Why is Google so determined to cannibalize itself?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    What Google is accomplishing with this change is tighter control of their results.

    This is disappointing and only serves the interest of Google.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Ok wait... Can I use AI to change clickbait headlines into actual summaries of articles, without hyperbole, or people getting "slammed"? I am sure googles goal is only to create more clickbait, but if there was a way to do the opposite, that would be the first good use of AI I've seen.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, friend of mine did that as a hobby project 8ish years ago. You can do that with just a small self-trained language model.

    So, with AI as in the current RAM-sucking, earth-boiling monstrosities that are being pushed? No, it's not a valid use case for that AI because it was already solved.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    There was a story a few years back where a Danish guy made an extension to "Unbait" headlines on the particularly egregious news sites here. Of course they complained, i believe on grounds of copyright infringement, and I think they sued the guy.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Is there any way I can hide AI on Google? I'm using Vivaldi (which is a Chromium browser).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    You can use the web page, aka udm14. You can also set this in your browser so that typing in the search/address bar directly opens this.

    I have no idea if this particular development affects these results, but so far it's been nice. No AI summary, no "similar" advertisement, no "questions about…". Just plain results. Like, I don't know, that old google website.

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