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[–] 198 points 7 months ago (62 children)

Boots on ground will run into artillery and drones.

It’s like they learned nothing from watching Russia and Ukraine.

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  • [–] 124 points 7 months ago (31 children)

    Iran also has a lot experience with drone warfare since they're supplying Russia with drones and have people operating and learning in an active war. Meanwhile the US hasn't really fought against drones in a real war and they refused help from Ukraine one of the countries at the forefront of drone warfare.

    I wonder how long will Trump stay in office when the internet starts getting videos of American soldiers getting killed by drones just like the ones with Russian soldiers we have right now.

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  • [–] 161 points 7 months ago* (20 children)

    Trump has raped children, is a convicted felon, and demolished part of the White House. He's threatened reporters with execution, demanded personal enrichment as part of foreign trade, incited a terrorist attack on the Capitol building, and then pardoned the terrorists convicted of their crimes. He has openly solicited bribes and disclosed classified data to our enemies that resulted in the deaths of American agents abroad.

    His supporters will not move an inch regardless of how many soldiers they see dying.

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  • [–] 90 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

    I've been around for over 4 decades and the only thing I've ever seen conservatives give a fuck about were gas prices, unborn babies (specifically), and people with not white skin becoming president.

    Note: Specifically unborn babies because they don't give a flying fuck about kids after they're born. That's why they voted for a party that is currently obliterating child cancer research and are against free school lunches.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That's because Conservativism isn't really am ideology. It's psychological cover for being selfish. Conservatives define their core values based on whatever is good for the people within the Conservative group. They believe that they are the good people, the special people, and that they are entitled to whatever they want. Anyone that stands in their way is evil. Any facts that challenge their world view are lies. Any crimes they commit in service to their goals are justified.

    Conservatives don't care about gas prices or unborn babies or racism unless those issues help them get elected. Conservatives get abortions when they want them. They will even blame other people getting abortions "for no reason" as the reason why they can't get their own "totally justified and moral" abortion.

    They start wars, make trade agreements, and deregulate inustries that raise gas prices, because someone is getting rich from the high gas prices. When Conservatives are in charge and prices go up, they will tell you it is your patriotic duty to fuel up you SUV and drive around.

    Even the racism is entirely user dependent. Black conservatives, Latino conservatives, Asian conservatives, Jewish conservatives, Islamic conservatives, Russian conservatives, they all hate someone and they all pretend to be the most persecuted people. It doesn't matter if they all hate the same people, as long as they hate somebody.

    This is not politics. It's pathological narcissism.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This all has a simple cause at the root: conservative worldview assumes that life is a zero-sum game, and for one person or group to prosper, others must lose.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's not even that complicated. A comservative doesn't care if anyone else loses, as long as they feel like they win.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Perhaps, but to expend effort on getting someone to lose and themselves to win, they must believe that the balance works that way. If they believed that cooperation is a win-win situation and absence of cooperation is lose-lose, they would act differently.

    Conservative worldview stems from the belief that the resources are always limited, so if someone else is getting them then the conservative in question doesn't. If you extrapolate this presupposition, you can derive pretty much every single position that conservatives hold on any issue.

    Although it's funny that fiscal individualism, aiming to keep one's money to themselves, ends up benefitting corporations and rich bastards hoarding the wealth.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    They also really hate us LGBTQ people

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They don’t hate you they think you’re literally an abomination. Especially the religious ones

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago*

    I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive. I mean… I’m not a religious person, so perhaps there’s some nuance to it that I don’t get, but, yeah… there is at least some overlap

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the plain and stark language. I’m so tired of the sane washing, I’m so tired of skirting the issue. We need to accept and then figure out how to deal with the facts.

    It’s not his supporters I’m worried about, it’s the apathy and impatience of the average american voter that does.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    I genuinely disagree only because, for so many of his supporters, it is their children. I don't think it will change them as people or their politics as a whole but it will effect Republican chances in the next election. If we have legitimate elections at all. I'm almost certain there will be armed feds at polling stations to "protect them" and fearmongering about Iranian hackers tampering with the results.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    there will be armed feds at polling stations to "protect them"

    Y'know, if this happens, assuming the machines aren't rigged, screw it...We should all be showing up in our gawdyest American flag apparel and cargo shorts and maybe even stupid little red hats. Blend right in, maybe on the way in even fist bump a fed goon with a "Herl yer, bruther." ...and vote the right way right under their stupid noses.

    Drop the ego, become invisible, become inevitable. We have only our chains to lose and everything to gain.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Idk dawg, putting our heads down and blending in doesn't seem like a great way to fight fascism.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    I think you're misunderstanding my point; if your vote counted, and they were "guarding the polls" trying to loyalty test or intimidate, who cares what you say or wear or act like, as long as you get in there and check that box?

    That ballot box is the endzone.

    Sure, we should be protesting away, visibly, yes. We should be keeping the pressure on, yes. We need to be galvanizing and educating our communities, absolutely.

    But come voting time? Pride and dignity be damned: Discretion is the better part of valor.

    At the polls, yeah people who have already voted should be protesting and building morale to encourage everyone to show up.

    But when it comes time to cast yours, nobody should give you a second look. Walk right in there like a ghost and check the box. At all costs. Even if you gotta look like a complete tool. Shower at home afterwards if you have to.

    Being loud and proud and getting hauled away (or killed) beforehand is one less chance to get to fixing this thing, and even worse, you would be used as a tool to further scare away others from voting.

    Not being able to tell who the true believers are vs. the saboteurs undermines factions all the time, and they absolutely use that tactic against us all the time.

    I don't personally think things will be so dramatic. The biggest battle is getting our side to actually vote at all, but we need to be prepared for this possibility and not be intimidated or foolhardy.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Until he dies.

    If un-armed Americans getting killed at home didn't get him removed, armed Americans getting killed overseas won't get him removed, no matter what happens he will refuse to leave office alive.

    There's 300 million of you and 1 of him, do the whole world a favour AND FUCKING K-[Redacted for legal reasons but you get the idea].

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    The people who got Trump elected will find another hack celebrity.

    Trump has no magic powers beyond "name recognition", really, another "star". There will be another. And another. And another. Trump will be replaced immediately. The same filthy rich vampires will continue to "donate" and keep them elected.

    USA is openly pay-for-play now, they don't even bother to hide it. Look who shared the stage with him when he won... and those were the dumb ones.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    when the internet starts getting videos of American soldiers getting killed by drones just like the ones with Russian soldiers we have right now.

    The difference is the videos will only come from official Iranian government sources since there is otherwise an internet blackout in Iran, to which the Trump admin will obviously respond "it must be AI, cannot be trusted, Iranian government propaganda." Meanwhile, like during Iraq, "embedded" US journalists will present a more rosy view of the conflict for US viewers at home while minimizing coverage of mounting evidence that the stories are true as US soldiers start leaking video themselves as conditions worsen.

    He will stay in office until the midterms or Democrats are lucky enough to swing the midterms instead of handing Trump his stupid shit SAVE Act to fuck up the midterms. If that doesn't happen, he will be in office until he is dead, and there is almost assuredly no coming back from this, despite how notoriously stupid the entire Trump administration is.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A prolonged conflict in Iran could spell total global financial disaster. Like, really bad.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets, republicans are disaster capitalists...they're actively trying to collapse the markets so they can profit from it.

    they do it everytime they're in power, it's a pretty obvious cycle tbh...every recession the last 50 years happened under a republican administration

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    You're almost there!

    Just wait until you learn about THE FED and the actual disaster capitalists, like JP Morgan, Deutsch Bank, and so on.

    They're international and they run the show (and the US dollar) "under" every Democratic admin. (bOtH sIdEs, sitting at table with Nazis, etc.)

    Look at what happened after The Great Depression, and in 2008 under Obama, and our other bubbles. Who profited from those bubbles bursting? Why are they in charge of the US Dollar?

    It's a mystery, I'm sure they're looking out for us

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'm wondering about how they're going to get them there in the first place. Both landing craft and rotorcraft are going to be very vulnerable if our air power can't silence Iranian fire (which is seemingly the whole reason why this is "necessary").

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It takes $500 to stop an oil tanker because they’re, well, floating buckets of flammable material, with no armouring or defense capability.

    It takes a lot more to stop an amphibious landing.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    He is doing what putin tells him.

    And to those who say that Russia and Iran are allies. Russia was never a true ally with anyone, it is just partnership of convenience. US destroying itself in Iran has massive benefit for Russia.

    And the fact that US did this and also lifted sanctions on Russia and Belarus is clear demonstration that US is ruled by Russian agent.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Please just think about this for 5 minutes.

    Russia's economy is about the same size as California's. They can no longer afford the President, Russia needs to step it up and give him a jet, a few hotels, or something to compete.

    It's all legal, none of this matters.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Putin is not telling Trump to invade Putin's ally, Iran. Even if it will hurt America, Putin does not want that, obviously.

    Utterly brain-dead take.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah? Tell me which country benefits most from the current situation? What has Iran to offer right now when Russia is producing their Shaheds domestically? Do you even think Russia would want Iran on any new countries to have nukes? The only thing putin cares is Iran seeing US and the West as their sworn enemies.

    You know very little about Russia and recent events if you believe there are any agreements or alliances Russia honors.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Russia undoubtedly benefits the most, but not in the long run. Russia benefits from having allies.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Russia never treat their allies the same way the West same with their people.

    putin had no problem killing 300 and injury almost 2000 Russian to get elected. It seems to be difficult for people who live far away from them to understand it.

    This is why Ukraine is fighting. This is why any the loudest voices against Russia are its direct neighbors.

    Country is an ally of Russia only if they share common enemy, are too naive or have no other choice.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    We're all aware of what he's done, doesn't change the outcome.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Every single thing he did, even thing that initially looked like would hurt Russia, long term ended up benefitting putin.

    If it looks like he might be hurting Russia by some action then just wait, soon we discover something we didn't know at the time that changes the picture completely.

    Another thing is that a lot of people say he is unpredictable. If you start asking yourself how given action could help Russia he isn't really that unpredictable.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    He's attacking Venezuela and Iran, and threatening Cuba. None of that helps Russia.

    The sanctions he's lifting on Russia demonstrate how disastrous the war has been and do help Russia (as does an increase in oil prices). But cutting off a producer of Shaheds does not, isolating Russia on the world stage by hurting its allies does not, continuing to (mostly) allow Ukraine to use American intelligence does not, etc.

    I dunno whether people who spout this are conspiracy brained or just don't think about it much but either way, please think.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Venezuela - he removed Maduro (who wasn't even effective leader) and replaced him with the same Russian friendly regime. Now Venezuela has pretext to cut China (including its investments) and have less sources of oil (increase dependence on Russia)

    Iran - he replaced 86 years old Khamenei who (in Iranian standards was chill and open to make deals with US) with 56 years old much more radical Khamenei Jr. Every armchair exists knew that Iran would block Strait of Hormuz, and even Iran themselves said that they will close it and start shooting at neighbors in the event of attack. Again, Strait of Hormuz provided majority of oil to Asia, especially China. Now for strange reasons trump also lifted sanctions on Russian oil, which wouldn't affect price only allowed Russia to charge more for it. Also Russia is domestically producing Shaheds, they don't need Iran for that.

    Cuba - hard to talk about it, as this haven't happen yet, he just blocked oil import to them, but I will be shocked if this somehow will lead to them having a democratic government. Frankly though I don't think Russia cares about Cuba that much.

    The sanctions he's lifting on Russia demonstrate how disastrous the war has been and do help Russia (as does an increase in oil prices). But cutting off a producer of Shaheds does not, isolating Russia on the world stage by hurting its allies does not, continuing to (mostly) allow Ukraine to use American intelligence does not, etc.

    The Russia already sells their oil on global market, lifting sanctions doesn't increase amount of oil for the rest of the world, all it does is allows Russia to sell at higher price. You can call it a dumbass move, but his dumbass moves always benefit Russia somehow.

    Shaheds as I mentioned earlier are now produced domestically in Russia, they no longer need Iran for that.

    With the American intelligence it is actually no clear information. I saw article saying they actually sharing it to help targeting Russian oil infrastructure, then from the same time there's article that US was promising that will share intelligence.

    The fact that US was asking Ukraine to stop after it hit hub in Novorossiysk tells me that the intelligence sharing was just bullshit. In fact what kind of intelligence US could share about those terminals. They don't have wheels and their locations aren't secret. What kind of information would US provide about then that Ukraine wouldn't have from their agents that are inside of Russia? It is bullshit information to help with narrative that he is somehow neutral.

    I dunno whether people who spout this are conspiracy brained or just don't think about it much but either way, please think.

    I woulda encourage you to take your advice yourself. You are writing it assuming others didn't see the information that you have when in reality you are missing things. Like for example Russia has production of shaheds, it modified them to work better and now it's providing them to Iran to his US bases.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Russia was still importing Shaheds from Iran and lately has actually exported some back to Iran.

    US intelligence sharing is not bullshit - they in fact turned it off for a while last year but turned it back on.

    I think you view everything through this lens so there's not much point discussing further. Thanks for your time.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    They turned it back on after Ukraine attacked Moscow, because with weapons blocked and no intelligence, US couldn't influence Ukraine anymore.

    The intelligence was very important early on in the war and it helped a lot on the front lines, but since then Ukraine made sure to remove its dependence on it and blinding Russia as well. Right now majority of it is done through drones.

    You are trying really hard to justify yourself supporting Republicans, when all evidence shows that trump wants Russia to win this war. For example Russia was struggling with their exports, he starts a war with Iran and lifts sanctions on Russia. Ukraine makes devastating attack on oil terminals in the Baltic, trump says that the money EU paid for Ukraine through PURL (almost $1B) he will divert instead sending to Ukraine (you might say "AHA! So you admit Ukraine is still receiving US weapons", yes they do (or did), but US just selling them and adds additional 10% markup, it is just weapons dealer. India also sell weapons to Ukraine, but no one calls that "helping", at least India delivers the weapons when is paid, while US is now even breaking that).

    Take a step back and see the big picture what is actually happening.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It will be more like Afghanistan. Iran is mostly mountainous and guerilla warfare will be the default. The US relies too much on technology which will not that useful in that environment. Don't forget that the Iran army has been training for years for this type of conflict. Afghanistan was a disaster for American troops but will be nothing compared to Iran.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I also wonder if the Iranian soldiers are willing to die for the regime or not. Like the Iraq invasion was relatively easy because the nation was fragmented and divided under Saddam and many soldiers deserted and surrendered quickly.

    Of course the occupation was a different matter.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Whatever disagreements they have with the regime, they are rallying around the flag. Now they could peel off the kurds, except they already betrayed the kurds multiple times, and this administration explicitly has. Allowing Turkey to target them and such.

    This US administration has no credibility, and no trust, and they are too dumb, mean, greedy, and short sighted to do empire successfully.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The US military has long been obsessed with World War II era tactics. Which essentially amounts to "We've got more troops than you, and we've given them bigger guns".

    But this strategy hasn't been relevant since the end of the Cold War. Why would I care how many soldiers you have stationed at an important facility when I can just blow said important facility up with my big bomb? Their presence is irrelevant. Now that drone combat is so prevalent the number of troops you have is even less relevant.

    Iran has essentially managed to defeat the United States without any of their troops moving beyond their border.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The US always loses to asymmetric warfare. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    I’m not a USA latter 20th century historian - have they actually won a war since WWII

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    While the Korean was hasn't officially ended, I'd say South Korea came out ahead.

    If you count conflicts like Syria and Iraq, the US achieved the goal of toppling their leaders. But in none of those cases were they successful in creating a democratic government.

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  • [–] 126 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Say it with me, folks:

    YOU WILL DIE FOR OIL SO THAT THE EPSTEIN CLASS STAYS WEALTHY.

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  • [–] 97 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Born too early to deploy to the Middle East. Born too late to deploy to the Middle East. Born just in time to deploy to the Middle East.

    God bless America and it’s love for forever wars in the Middle East.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Rich people sending poor kids to war is one of America's pastimes.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Look at the bright side, at least we're not falling for that climate hoax that all those rich, corrupt researchers keep pushing. With their environmentally conscious policies and clean energy, blech! Can you imagine how much worse it would be if we had continued to give them free reign to manipulate our govt?

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They're gonna fall for one of the classic blunders, never get involved in a land war in asia. Only slightly less well known is never get involved with a pedo when Epstein files are on the line.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Call me an old geezer, but I liked peace better when it didn't mean starting wars out of the blue and sending your troops to die in meaningless skirmishes.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They should put his boots on the ground there. With him wearing them, of course.

    Two reasons for that: After he missed out Vietnam, he now has the chance to rectify this blunder. And: He can do everything perfectly (at least according to himself), so he should be a good leader and go first, leading his troops into battle like the kings of old.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    Die for pedophiles boys

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Man's never seen a topographical map of Iran and thinks that putting boots on the ground will work in those mountains.

    We're going to se a whole lot more flag draped coffins stacked in amazon vans.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, unfortunately the only way MAGA americans will learn is when their sons and daughters are needlessly murdered in a random country, to protect a massive sex trafficking, child-raping pedophile from facing justice.

    Also send Stephen Miller over there too, just for good measure. Let's see how much of a patriot he really is.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You don't have to obey illegal orders. You can say no.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago

    On Thursday, Trump told reporters that he wasn’t “putting troops anywhere,” before adding the caveat that if he was going to do so, he “certainly wouldn’t tell” the press.

    So....... he's gonna put boots on the ground. Got it.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So you are saying he is lying here? Who would do that? Just go on the internet and lie?

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