Doctors used to believe that babies couldn't feel/understand pain.
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It's actually very environmentally friendly to eat humans so the momentary pain is offset by the collective good.
It's only environmentally friendly to eat humans with a net worth over a certain amount.
Oh but you always suggest that Johnny.
It's actually not, the average industrialized nation human requires several tons of carbon in upkeep per year, so if you're harvesting them at 20 years you're adding dozens if not hundreds of tons of carbon into the environment.
You know, I've read that stabbing them through their head doesn't really kill them because they have distributed ganglia instead of one centralized brain.
Sounds like something big boiling pot would say.
You need to define what the word alive means first.
If you cut a roach's head, it stays sort of alive in that the body responds when trying to touch it or expose it to harm but it won't do anything if left alone. just standing still until eventual death.
A decapitated roach might still be able to "feel" pain but in my personal opinion - I am no expert in the matter - it doesn't feel stress, trauma or have bad memory of the incident. Just pain and an appropriate reflex to it.
In this context "alive" means "still able to feel and process pain."
How does the decapitated roach feel the pain? The processing unit has been disconnected from the source of pain.
No it hasn't been. Cockroaches, lobsters, and other arthropods have a decentralized nervous system. They have ganglia throughout their entire body instead of one centralized brain. These ganglia can react to stimuli independent of the other ones.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head/
So does this mean stab the lobsters or don't stab the lobsters? I was raised on the NE shore and have cooked hundreds of lobsters, I used to do the trick of putting them face down and stroking the spine, that would work ok but they wake up when you move them to the pot. I started stabbing the lobsters a few summers ago after a chef I worked with told me I should be, but I wasn't convinced it was a lot more humane and it's not fun if there's kids around lol.
I can't tell you for sure which is quicker or more painless. I'm not a marine biologist and even if I were I don't think I'd have the answer on another creature's consciousness. Personally I think it's really just cope and it's splitting hairs at that point. You just need to face the fact that you're killing and eating a living creature.
Yes, "decentralised", "can react to", but what about perceiving? That's what modern mortality cares about. Most plants react to stabbing but since there isn't any processing unit of such signals, we humans don't take moral punishment from doing so. We don't emphasize non-sensual creatures.
Honestly they may not be able to perceive in any way we would recognize. Arthropods are about as distant as you can get from humans while still being in the animal kingdom, were in Maine and they're in American Samoa. So while they most certainly perceive the question of sentience in the more traditional sense is up for debate, though there is at least one species of spider that has a proto-brain so it isn't universal.
When I was a kid, I watched a TV show with one of Australia's early 'celebrity' chefs, Bernard King. He had a live lobster in front of him, which he then proceeded to cut the tail from. The lobster made audible 'squeeee!' noises, and tried to move away. He just laughed and said it couldn't feel anything.
Anyway, he was a cunt.
I judge people who don't sever the notochord first. It's like the most basic respect you can offer.
I think the most basic respect you can offer an animal is to just not kill it.
That's fair. I accept that I am not the second coming, but I live in this world as best I can while still enjoying the comforts it offers
i don't think any living animal actively offers themself for your culinary pleasure.
Well there's that one guy that wanted someone to eat his penis or whatever. I believe he even paid.
Is this the guy who wanted to have gay sex before the cannibalism while the other guy was mostly just there for the cannibalism?
Then that guy got convicted for murder on a technicallity because the footage (they also recorded everything) showed that the guy whose penis was eaten had yet to die from bloodloss like he wanted?
I heard that one on a Redhanded podcast episode.
Yeah I believe that's the same one
Perhaps not, but he openly admits he does his best. That's enough
You respect where your food comes from. Enjoy your well-deserved comforts, haters are gonna hate
Speaking of food, love the UN! Spinach is one of my favorite things.
That should apply to all living things. Kind of makes it hard to survive if we do that, though.
There's a goldilocks zone where our own individual longevity can be met while simultaneously causing the least harm to all life, within practicality. That zone being within the territory of the blue zones to one degree or another. Or to be straight to the point, it is completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people to ever need to depend on animal products for food.
Not really. Just like everything else it's just a little bit of a learning curve. Then it becomes normal and easy.
Not eating anything at all is "just a bit of a learning curve"?! What, are you one of those breatharians?
Not eating meat obviously.
Babies don't have a notochord, though. It disappears earlier in fetal development in vertebrates.
It doesn't actually kill them, and it's so small that you're likely to miss it anyway.
Killing them isn't the point, it's to prevent suffering.
This is weirdly distrubing and morbid to read. Not that it matters.
You wouldn't do this to your cat. Or your dog. Or any other pet. Why should they have to go through it?
I would eat both of it were legal. Dog meat has been described to me multiple times and it sounds devine. Cats used to be called rooftop chickens. If you're unwilling to eat X meat because of sympathy, I think you're a bad omnivor. Also my family recently survived a famine so I feel it's disrespectful to my ancestors
I donβt know man, due to sympathy neither my dogs, cats or goats would eat each other or humans. And 2 of them are carnivores.
Yeah right your cat doesn't eat you because of sympathy π
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ewxCyRaECC0
Because I can't find the actual comic.
Cats are well known for eating their former owners after they die.
Yeah after at least a week or right before they starve to death themselves, like dogs.
So you have a cat?
We should just start eating humans. They are pointless and invasive and they eat meat as a choice.
I'm sure it's disrespectful to our ancestors if we could work for a livable wage as well. Some of us care a little bit more about future generations.
Disrespecting your ancestors has been a miracle for my cholesterol levels
Dog and Cat meat are entirely legal to eat, it's just there's no legal way to acquire them
That noise that sounds like screaming is just the air leaving his lungs
I learned that when I was a kid (more than 25 years ago), and I was like why is this aloud and not forbidden...
Wait, do the lobsters scream? :(
Humans couldn't possibly experience pain in a way that matters. They only have one nerve cluster! How much processing power could they have?
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