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[–] 138 points 7 months ago (30 children)
  • [–] 96 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    More like doctors reject inconvenient truth in favor of useful lie

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Humans in general, not just doctors. Not all humans but it's not a rare trait. Or maybe all humans and I'm doing it myself by leaving that opening, which might be accepted because others also want to believe they don't.

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  • [+] 57 points 7 months ago (24 children)
  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    And that apples are dangerous.

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  • [+] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    "A lethal dose of cyanide is around 50–300 milligrams (mg). A 2018 analysis of previous research states that a person would have to eat around 83–500 seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning." Medical News Today, citing 2018 Oxford analysis

    A redditor also did the math on how many apples that would be: "Apple seeds can release as much as 0.6 mg of Cyanide per gram of seed.

    The average apple seed has a mass of 0.756 grams

    The average apple contains 8 seeds

    Therefore there are approximately 5.25 grams of apple seeds per apple, yielding a theoretical maximum release of 3.25 mg of cyanide from one apple

    The lethal dose of Cyanide is based on body mass and is listed as 1.5 mg/kg.

    A human can ingest about 41% of the lethal dose before seeing any side effects.

    41% of 1.5 mg/kg = 0.615 mg/kg

    The average adult male weighs 81.6466 kg (180 lbs)

    Therefore the lethal dose in the average male is 50.213 mg.

    50.213/3.15 = ~16 Apples

    Therefore the average male can consume ~16 apples without feeling any side effects."

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    I'm not sure what you mean by this; the cervix is known to have many nerve endings and is accepted medical knowledge.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Um, yes they do. They tell us to take ibuprofen before the procedure.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    While it is true that this is said to patients, ibuprofen is not enough pain relief. Insertion is often rated as extremely painful, but patients are told it is similar to a menstrual cramp. It was a 10 out of 10 for me, and that was with extra ibuprofen.

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-insertion-pain-control-cdc-guidance-8737789

    Patients’ pain experiences during IUD insertions often do not align with what practitioners perceive that pain to be. One study shows that women rated their highest pain during a procedure at around 65 on a scale of 100, while providers estimated it at around 35β€”highlighting a deep-rooted disparity between patient experiences and provider perceptions.3

    β€œWomen are left in the dark about the reality of this procedure, and that needs to change,” Hart told Verywell. β€œFor many of us, it’s not just mild pinching or cramps, and the first step is to bring this out of the shadows, validate women’s pain, and show them that there are options available to help them manage it.”

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women's health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published. I'm just against the sweeping generalization of "doctors believe" or "doctors think" and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying "my doctor was shitty because they don't listen to my concerns" is super valid and should be acknowledged, but "doctors don't listen to women" is not a fair representation.

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  • [+] 5 points 7 months ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    That is a valid stance to take based on your history. I've acknowledged your personal experiences may differ. I was not trying to "cancel out" your viewpoint, the same way I don't think it would be fair to discount mine.

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  • [+] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    Yeah, I'm sure that is frustrating.

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    I may not have clearly stated what I meant. I wasn't trying to offer an opinion on your experience. My initial point was imply it is absolutely valid medical knowledge that nerve endings exist in the cervix. Whether or not a doctor acknowledges that or listens to their patients is entirely independent of that (unfortunately). I understand that as a separate issue, but at least modern medical science recognizes it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I mean, they certainly don't understand it yet. They absolutely feel it and react instinctively to it, though. It might even form a traumatic memory of a sort that will affect them later in life.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    The real question is, does it matter? If pain doesn't change future behavior or outcomes, especially with having no memory of that pain, what does it matter?

    Same for boiling someone alive... How you die doesn't really matter, because if you aren't going to survive, the experience didn't impact anything.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It's actually very environmentally friendly to eat humans so the momentary pain is offset by the collective good.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's actually not, the average industrialized nation human requires several tons of carbon in upkeep per year, so if you're harvesting them at 20 years you're adding dozens if not hundreds of tons of carbon into the environment.

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    You know, I've read that stabbing them through their head doesn't really kill them because they have distributed ganglia instead of one centralized brain.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    You need to define what the word alive means first.

    If you cut a roach's head, it stays sort of alive in that the body responds when trying to touch it or expose it to harm but it won't do anything if left alone. just standing still until eventual death.

    A decapitated roach might still be able to "feel" pain but in my personal opinion - I am no expert in the matter - it doesn't feel stress, trauma or have bad memory of the incident. Just pain and an appropriate reflex to it.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    In this context "alive" means "still able to feel and process pain."

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    How does the decapitated roach feel the pain? The processing unit has been disconnected from the source of pain.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    No it hasn't been. Cockroaches, lobsters, and other arthropods have a decentralized nervous system. They have ganglia throughout their entire body instead of one centralized brain. These ganglia can react to stimuli independent of the other ones.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head/

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    So does this mean stab the lobsters or don't stab the lobsters? I was raised on the NE shore and have cooked hundreds of lobsters, I used to do the trick of putting them face down and stroking the spine, that would work ok but they wake up when you move them to the pot. I started stabbing the lobsters a few summers ago after a chef I worked with told me I should be, but I wasn't convinced it was a lot more humane and it's not fun if there's kids around lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I can't tell you for sure which is quicker or more painless. I'm not a marine biologist and even if I were I don't think I'd have the answer on another creature's consciousness. Personally I think it's really just cope and it's splitting hairs at that point. You just need to face the fact that you're killing and eating a living creature.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, "decentralised", "can react to", but what about perceiving? That's what modern mortality cares about. Most plants react to stabbing but since there isn't any processing unit of such signals, we humans don't take moral punishment from doing so. We don't emphasize non-sensual creatures.

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  • Honestly they may not be able to perceive in any way we would recognize. Arthropods are about as distant as you can get from humans while still being in the animal kingdom, were in Maine and they're in American Samoa. So while they most certainly perceive the question of sentience in the more traditional sense is up for debate, though there is at least one species of spider that has a proto-brain so it isn't universal.

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  • When I was a kid, I watched a TV show with one of Australia's early 'celebrity' chefs, Bernard King. He had a live lobster in front of him, which he then proceeded to cut the tail from. The lobster made audible 'squeeee!' noises, and tried to move away. He just laughed and said it couldn't feel anything.

    Anyway, he was a cunt.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (27 children)

    I judge people who don't sever the notochord first. It's like the most basic respect you can offer.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    I think the most basic respect you can offer an animal is to just not kill it.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    That's fair. I accept that I am not the second coming, but I live in this world as best I can while still enjoying the comforts it offers

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    i don't think any living animal actively offers themself for your culinary pleasure.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well there's that one guy that wanted someone to eat his penis or whatever. I believe he even paid.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Is this the guy who wanted to have gay sex before the cannibalism while the other guy was mostly just there for the cannibalism?

    Then that guy got convicted for murder on a technicallity because the footage (they also recorded everything) showed that the guy whose penis was eaten had yet to die from bloodloss like he wanted?

    I heard that one on a Redhanded podcast episode.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I believe that's the same one

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    You respect where your food comes from. Enjoy your well-deserved comforts, haters are gonna hate

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Speaking of food, love the UN! Spinach is one of my favorite things.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    That should apply to all living things. Kind of makes it hard to survive if we do that, though.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    There's a goldilocks zone where our own individual longevity can be met while simultaneously causing the least harm to all life, within practicality. That zone being within the territory of the blue zones to one degree or another. Or to be straight to the point, it is completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people to ever need to depend on animal products for food.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Not really. Just like everything else it's just a little bit of a learning curve. Then it becomes normal and easy.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Not eating anything at all is "just a bit of a learning curve"?! What, are you one of those breatharians?

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    It doesn't actually kill them, and it's so small that you're likely to miss it anyway.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    You wouldn't do this to your cat. Or your dog. Or any other pet. Why should they have to go through it?

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago* (17 children)

    I would eat both of it were legal. Dog meat has been described to me multiple times and it sounds devine. Cats used to be called rooftop chickens. If you're unwilling to eat X meat because of sympathy, I think you're a bad omnivor. Also my family recently survived a famine so I feel it's disrespectful to my ancestors

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I don’t know man, due to sympathy neither my dogs, cats or goats would eat each other or humans. And 2 of them are carnivores.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah right your cat doesn't eat you because of sympathy πŸ˜‚

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Cats are well known for eating their former owners after they die.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah after at least a week or right before they starve to death themselves, like dogs.

    So you have a cat?

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That noise that sounds like screaming is just the air leaving his lungs

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I learned that when I was a kid (more than 25 years ago), and I was like why is this aloud and not forbidden...

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    The irony hits harder than the boiling water 😭

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Humans couldn't possibly experience pain in a way that matters. They only have one nerve cluster! How much processing power could they have?

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