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[–] 272 points 8 months ago (19 children)

Whether or not I use Claude is not going to change society

This gives me shopping cart theory vibes. I don't usually base my moral compass based on whether my action will have some kind of measurable impact, but whether I believe it's the right thing to do. After the intense doubling down in that discussion thread I'm definitely steering clear of lutris. It costs me very little effort to avoid projects that do icky things I don't want to encourage (even though it may not have a measurable impact~)

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  • [–] 145 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I can't fix the problem, therefore I'll be part of the problem.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    At my job we have been told how we have to start using AI more. I can't really see any point. The only tasks AI can help me for are pointless tasks from HR that shouldn't exist in the first place. Monthly forms with questions like "how are you feeling emotionally", used to take me ages to come up with corpo bullshit friendly answers but locally hosted deepseek does it in seconds.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago*

    When my work enabled Gemini, I asked it how to disable it. It said it couldn't help me and asked if I had another question. I didn't.

    That's the only interaction I've willingly had with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The HR department will see that it's not quality human HR-slop and the thought police will be with you shortly

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Lutris has always been a bit hit-or-miss for me, I avoided it unless it was the only option, as it only worked half the time. I don't want it to come off like it shouldn't exist, as stuff making Linux easier to use is great, but I don't use it at all in my current workflows.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I guess I've just been behind the times, but I've never had an incentive to switch. I just installed faugus and transferred everything over and it seems very slick. It seems to be missing 1 or 2 things, like environment variables per-game, but all the other important stuff seems to be here. I know what I'm doing with prefixes so having all the knobs to turn is great, but honestly linux gaming does not need most of those knobs nowadays.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    How does transferring work?

    I only have 2 or 3 things in lutris.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Also, it is one thing to decide that something is not an ethical issue of concern, it is another thing to act with disrespect to everyone with a different opinion.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    virtue ethics > utilitarianism

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Utilitarianism really falls at the first hurdle of any kind of evaluation of a moral system.

    It has no real prescriptive power because it demands you be able to correctly foresee the outcome of your actions, something literally addressed by "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", an adage of at least 400 years ago, and yet people will still gravitate towards it as if society did not explicitly caution us about that mindset forever now.

    At this point I can't help but look down on those who genuinely identify as utilitarian as either too young, too stupid, or actively malevolent and trying to find a way to justify their bad behaviours as errors rather than malice or negligence.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I'd offer you a counterpoint (ignoring the issue with Lutris and AI for a minute):

    If you choose not to judge your own actions by the expected consequences of those actions for everyone involved, then how exactly are you supposed to judge them? If you're following some rule that disagrees with the utilitarian view, then by definition it's a rule that in your own opinion leads to a worse outcome for everyone.

    It's of course completely fine to not be utilitarian, but trying to claim that all utilitarians are either stupid or evil is just incorrect.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    ignoring the issue with Lutris and AI for a minute

    Please by all means, I ignored it in the first place, I find this way more interesting.

    If you choose not to judge your own actions by the expected consequences of those actions for everyone involved, then how exactly are you supposed to judge them?

    Well, this is only half the problem. It's a bad system because it demands the impossible of you (i.e. accurately predict the future) but it also has a really narrow interest in the dimensions of human morality.

    To directly answer the question however: you judge them by a set of principles, whichever you deem right, that you apply consistently across choices.

    When it comes to inter-personal choices, the vast majority of all questions can easily be answered by asking yourself "am i betraying some explicit or implicit bond of trust with someone (who has not done so themselves) by doing/saying this?" and if you are, you just stop.

    And to be clear, I don't claim to follow this principle 100% of the time, I am not a saint, but that to me is the guiding principle when there are stakes to my behaviour, and it has not failed me yet.

    If you’re following some rule that disagrees with the utilitarian view, then by definition it’s a rule that in your own opinion leads to a worse outcome for everyone.

    (Emphasis added)

    At its core, the idea of utilitarian morality is to "maximise utility", that is to do whatever does the most "good" to the highest number of people.

    This is, IMO, a terrible metric, and as a deontologist I am perfectly happy reaching a "worse" outcome by it.

    It is not particularly hard to see how, by applying this metric, you can justify any kind of scapegoating, abuse, and/or undue leniency on people that would deserve harsh punishment in any deontological or virtue based system, as soon as enough "good" is produced through it.

    There is a very dark, but apt, joke about this kind of approach to morality: that 9/10 people involved in it endorse gang rape.

    To me, morality is a qualitative assessment, not a quantitative one.

    It does not matter how many perpetrator lives will be ruined if they have earned their punishment, and it does not matter how much happier they would be to get away with the crime than the victim would suffer, comparatively.

    To do anything else would be to relinquish morality to the whims of the masses, because it implies that there is a threshold past which the abuse of the few becomes negligible due to the benefits it brings to the many.

    trying to claim that all utilitarians are either stupid or evil is just incorrect.

    To be fair I also stated they can be naïve; I was one too in my youth, until I learned and understood better.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It's completely a coincidence that all games are no longer working in Lutris here, on multiple machines, after upgrading from 0.5.19 to 0.5.20. Weird.

    I downgraded and everything works again. I did not try 0.5.22 or the quickly removed 0.5.21.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I guess we know where to fork from.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    I guess we know where to fork from.

    Honestly: Why? Lutris Gnome headerbar UI sucks anyway. Looks and behaves like crap especially under Gamescope but in non-Gnome desktops it's not too great as well. GloriousEggroll and team created umu launcher to make creation of that sort of graphical front ends much easier and a bunch of those popped up already. Might just as well migrate to one of those than to maintain yet another software fork.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    After reading your comment, I tried it for myself, running "Age Of Wonders 4" through Lutris 0.5.22. Nothing happened. As in, literally nothing, game didn't launch, and no error. Then downgraded Lutris to 0.5.19, and first I got a message saying that wine needed to install something, and then I got an error message saying "A java script error occurred in the main process".

    So the results of my experiment are inconclusive. I consider an error message a better than result than nothing visibly happening, because an error message at least tells me nothing its not working, instead of letting me wait and wait.

    So, yes, it appears that the quality of Lutris has declined after the developer started using Claude Code. However, my experiment was just a quick and dirty experiment, and ultimately further research is necessary.

    I propose the following experiment, keep in mind that this is basically a rough sketch of the procedure:

    1. Set up two virtual machines running linux, a and b. (TODO: Decide on distro)
    2. Install Lutris 0.5.22 on a, and 0.5.19 on b.
    3. Try out several games on both a and b, both installed and launched through lutris, and record how well they run.
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    lutris -d will run it and print debug messages to the terminal.

    I think the root of the problem is that updating changes what WINE and Proton versions are being used, even for games that are already installed. That pretty much negates what most people are using Lutris for. (WINE prefix management)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I just wanted to try and figure out whether the quality of Lutris had indeed declined as you said in your earlier comment. I'm not trying to get the game running, "Age of Wonders 4" is just the first title in my library.

    Edit: But thanks anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Oh man, you are right. I went fron 5.18 to 5.20 and nothing worked anymore. I spent hours troubleshooting before I reinstalled the current game I was playing. It worked but it runs noticeably slower. For a newbie, how does one downgrade? Assuming there is a command or do I have to uninstall first?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Someone suggested the program Warehouse to me, but I haven't tried it. On Arch, I still had the version I wanted in my package manager's cache so it was a single command.

    sudo pacman -U file:///var/cache/pacman/pkg/lutris-0.5.19-9-any.pkg.tar.zst

    If you are using the flatpak (Bazzite, Steam Deck, etc.) unfortunately, it's more complicated.

    1. Exit to desktop mode.
    2. Open Konsole (it's in System in the main menu).
    3. If you haven't set a root password yet, run passwd, make it reasonably secure and don't forget it. I believe setting a root password enables the Deck to be controlled remotely over ssh with said password. Be safe.
    4. Run flatpak remote-info --log flathub net.lutris.Lutris. Lutris was installed as system for me. I think that is the default, so probably choose 1 for system if it asks.
    5. You will see a commit with the subject "Update Lutris to 0.5.20". The previous version is in the list right after that. Note that hash of 64 hexadecimals.
    6. Run sudo flatpak update --commit=19ee79d455b8e50f057911a2bba279efcb960ee6d565f794e9c9d41c290dcd14 net.lutris.Lutris, supply the root password, and accept the changes. (Use the hash from step 5.)
    7. Run sudo flatpak mask net.lutris.Lutris and supply root password to prevent Lutris from being updated. We will probably have problems in the future when the flatpak environment gets deprecated, sudo flatpak mask --remove net.lutris.Lutris would allow it to update again.
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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Here’s my issue with this specifically. It makes Lutris very vulnerable to being considered entirely public domain:

    https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/6538

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "AI" has been known to present code from other projects and hence other licenses. It can't become public domain unless all of that code was also public domain.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'd imagine there have been more nonsensical (than AI = public domain) legal decisions that have had the full force of law for decades.

    I recently dug around for a while, and if the copyright of works in the training data affects the copyright of outputs, no popular model can output anything that would even be close to acceptable for a contribution to an open-source project. Maybe if you trained a model exclusively on "The Stack" (NOT "The Pile") and then included all the required attributions -- but no ready-made model does that. All of the "open source" model frameworks that I could find included some amount of proprietary "pre-training" data that would also be an issue.

    If AI output is NOT affected by the copyright of training data... there might not BE a (legal) person that can hold any copyrights over it, which is pretty close to public domain.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    Good Sire, if we are talking about only the US, then that does not matter at all. Existing copyright law and established precedents (without involving AI) already covers this. The copyright of software is handled like that of literature, so the actual content is copyrighted. More specifically the sequence of words. In order to violate the copyright of a protected work, one just has to reproduce this sequence. It is not relevant, if it was reproduced by an AI, a human, God or your cat (:D). The only exclusion to this is fair use. Whether fair use applies must be considered by a case by case basis. There are four factors that are used in deciding whether it falls under fair use. And that is considering that portions of that code are not patented. If they are, then you are screwed no matter what (unless you are allowed to use that code).

    Anyhow, you are opening yourself up for litigations for sure.

    Now, is this a problem? Probably not. Copyright infringement is actually very very hard to spot, especially without automated tools (looking right at you, YouTube). Even if it is spotted, the owners of the copyright must use resources in order to enforce it. Considering that most of the code used in the training data is open-source, most of these owners won't have these resources or at least aren't using them (which is sad, because that also applies to the infringement of companies as well). You cannot lose, if no one sues. Whether you should risk it, is anyone's decision to make.

    For unprotected code.. I guess, you are right. It could be one way or the other, but it does not really matter that much. At worst, people can use your code without adhering to your license. That would not mark the end of an project, the former definitely would.

    Also on another note: Using copyrighted material in the training data of AI is considered fair use.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    There is no settled legal status on the output of AI systems and it's certainly something that does need clarification going forward. The law may treat asking an LLM to regurgitate it's training data vs following instructions in a local context differently. Human engineers are allowed to use "retained knowledge" from their experiences even if they can't bring their notebooks from previous careers. LLMs are just better at it.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    As of March 2, it has been settled. AI generated works must have substantial human creative input in order to be copyrightable. Prompting the AI does not meet that requirement.

    https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2026/03/us-supreme-court-declines-to-consider-whether-ai-alone-can-create-copyrighted-works

    In other words, if the AI wrote the code, and you didn’t change it since then, it’s not yours at all. It’s public domain, no question.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Prompting the AI alone does not meet that requirement. IE you can't say "draw me a picture of a cat" and then copyright the picture of the cat claiming you made it.

    You can say "help me draw this left ear over here, now make the right ear up here, a little taller, darken the edges a bit", all with prompts, but with your sufficient creative input.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    That’s not how the dev said he’s generating code. He said sometimes he does it without any intervention at all.

    Also, that’s potentially copyrightable. That hasn’t been settled.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Your link doesn't support what you're saying in the slightest. Have whatever opinion you want, but don't shovel up transparent bullshit to push your narrative.

    TFA is about a a copyright on a work made by a purely autonomous device, and SCOTUS declining to hear a case doesn't "settle" jack-shit.

    Quoting further:

    Thaler submitted an application to the US Copyright Office to register copyright in “A Recent Entrance to Paradise,” explicitly identifying the AI system as the author and stating the work was created without human intervention.

    For now, businesses and creators using AI should continue to rely on the longstanding human authorship requirement. Under current law, works made solely by autonomous AI are not eligible for copyright protection in the United States. Ongoing cases also consider the amount of human input, including prompting or post-generation editing, required to register copyright in an AI-generated work.[12]

    Companies should ensure a human contributes creatively and is named as the author in any copyright applications for AI-assisted works. To maximize protection, organizations should review their creative workflows and document human involvement in AI-assisted projects, particularly for commercial content. Organizations should continue to document the timing and scope of the use of AI in copyrightable works, for example by retaining prompts provided by the author. Internal policies should clarify attribution, ownership, the nature of creative input, and documentation requirements to avoid denied copyright applications.

    Iteratively working on a codebase by guiding an LLM's design choices and feeding it bug reports is fundamentally different from this case you're citing.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    If all you do is prompt the AI, “hey, fix bugs in this repo,” then you had no creative input into what it produces. So that kind of code would not be copyrightable, 100%. You can fight it in court, but the Supreme Court refusing to hear it means the lower court’s decision is settled law, and your chances of winning are essentially zero.

    Whether code where you hold its hand and basically pair program with it is copyrightable hasn’t been settled. Considering the dev said he does it both ways, the point is rather moot, since for sure, he doesn’t own the copyright to at least some of that AI generated code.

    OpenClaw is an autonomous system just like the one in that article, and the dev said that’s what he’s using at least some of the time. It generates and commits code without human intervention.

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  • [–] 170 points 8 months ago* (8 children)

    They are free to do what they want to on their repo.

    We are free to fork if need arises.

    Personally I don't like projects not showing what AI has made. And most of Claude was made on stolen code. Its against the open source license they themselves use https://github.com/lutris/lutris/blob/master/LICENSE

    But almost no one actually enforces the license until the big companies show up. I hope they change their minds, but until then, im going to stop using/contributing for a while.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Does anyone know which was the last version before the dev started shoveling slop in to the repo? The utter dipshit invalidated even the ability to license after that point, those releases are wholly worthless.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    in 5 years from now there’s going to be totally coevolved but unique seed-lines for software. the once with AI, and the once without. how can you distinguish them? did the human that said it wrote them really write them? these problems aside, i suspect it will be forced to happen just from a security viewpoint, big companies won’t be able to get any kind of insurance anymore running AI-infested code.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    We are free to fork if need arises.

    ...and how do you ensure your fork does not contain a single commit involving even a single line written by Claude? If you can't, then isn't your fork slop by default?

    And most of Claude was made on stolen code.

    Sure, it learned to code by reading lots of code, most of it just publicly available online for anyone to read and for anyone to learn from but not explicitly licensed for a machine to read it and learn from it. I doubt it's possible to teach an ML system (or for that matter a human being) how to code without reading lots of example code. And any code you've ever read has an impact on any code you write afterward (same as any other creative endeavor), that's why clean room design as a defense against copyright infringement is a thing that exists.

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    it's more nuanced than that. Claude is made from stolen code, but it generally isn't going to copy its training data verbatim (unless specifically told to). so copyright wise it's more grey than strictly wrong. and though claude is made from stolen code, lutris developers are writing something they give off freely to the world, they are not profiting from the stolen code.

    does this make it ok? i don't know. what if they use an open weights model rather than a closed one? would that be more acceptable?

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    No, open weights changes nothing. Using stolen material is. Especially for a GPL project, a licence normally used to scare off corporate vultures. Why should anyone respect lutris' licence, when they gave up on the authorship of their own product?

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

    Lovely.
    I haven't been able to get the Elder Scrolls Online (ESO) to run under Steam lately. I was able to get it running under Lutris, and it was fine until the 5.20 update. Haven't been able to play at all. It was good while it lasted, I guess. Time to look for a new solution. If anybody has any recs, I'd love to hear them. I'm running Linux Mint 22.3.

    EDIT
    Thanks for the recommendations and advice, all! I'm going to give Heroic a shot and see how it goes.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Bottles works much in the same way, and I always prefered it to Lutris. It's also pretty easy to use plain old Wine if you're comfy at all in the terminal. Pair it with winetricks and you can run most games with little hastle

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    is there a website like lutris has with all the install scripts others have made?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    With wine you just need to know what winetricks to use, e.g. like if a game needs dotnet 4.0 or another windows runtime/prerequisite. Winehq has a similar premise with different compatabiltiy ratings and steps others have taken to troubleshoot. You wont get installer scripts but you will get good directions most of the time. Any game rated platinum or gold is a breeze to set up

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    you should be able to just move the prefix into the folder managed by bottles or heroic, or add the existing folder location to either of those. All of them just present visuals on top of wine/proton. Might also have to manually download and set the wine/proton version from whichever apps built in management.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    PortProton is a mighty thing in my experience. Has both a game library and the ability to add apps to app menu in two clicks.

    As the name implies, offers a wide offering of Proton versions (Steam, GE, CachyOS, GDK, EM, Sarek, version for HoYoPlay...), as well as Wine. Can detect popular games and choose perfect settings. Has one-click installs for some popular games and launchers. Available as Flatpak.

    Downsides: the only languages available are English, Russian and Spanish, and advanced config can be more involved than with Lutris. In fairness though, you'll barely ever need it.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Is this the same Lutris maintainer who took it out of the mint repos because he didn't like some minor thing they did?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I wouldn't be shocked if that kinda thing happened lol (or if Mathieu at least tried), but why would Lutris be in the Mint repos anyway?

    They're pretty small afaik, with the Ubuntu and Debian repos being used for non-Mint specific things

    All I could find was that Lutris "dropped support" for Mint a number of years ago, whatever that means, but Mint is now displayed alongside Ubuntu & ElementaryOS on the downloads page anyways

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  • [–] 115 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    "This works perfectly, which is why I'm removing all ways to audit what it has contributed."

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "because that's the only way to use it without being harassed online"

    I disagree with his reasons for removing it, but they are pretty clear.

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  • [+] -21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The downvotes are only making your argument for you, lol

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  • [–] 63 points 7 months ago* (17 children)

    Been chewing this since yesterday. Okay, here is my two cents:

    • yes, what LLM companies are doing is a problem. So dropping anything that has anything to do with their products is a sane way to make a statement
    • yes, LLMs can be used effectively in development. Whether Lutris author has been using them well - I don't know. Guess won't bother to check either, have other things to do
    • yes, doing the stunt with "good luck guessing what is what" is bullshit

    Net total, given I've already dropped GNOME because of their culture: guess now I am dropping Lutris. Not because of AI per se, but because of "fuck you" move

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Net total, given I’ve already dropped GNOME because of their culture

    what was wrong with gnome's culture?

    I use KDE BTW, I don't want a fischer price/mac lookalike ui

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)
    • You want customisation? Use extensions
    • We broke extensions, because
    • Also, no API for extensions. Patch our code manually

    No integrity in that see I, so drop them I do (Yoda voice)

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    but because of “fuck you” move

    The guy removed the attribution because he is being harassed.

    The 'fuck you' move is the people harassing an open source dev. Those people are the source of the bad behavior, not the guy who volunteers his time maintaining an open source project for everyone to use.

    The anti-AI crowd is toxic and need to fuck off. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another thing to harass volunteers because they're using tools that the crowd has a hateboner for.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    The guy removed the attribution because he is being harassed

    That may be, and he never mentions this in the now famous comment. Or was the message about Lutris being slop a harrasment? (question is genuine, I am somewhere in autistic spectrum)

    The ‘fuck you’ move is the people harassing an open source dev

    That is not a decent behaviour, no questions. His doing something preemptively in regards to something that he says he doesn't see as an issue - that's some bullshit. I am not against him using llm tools, but I am not ok with someone who can't just say "this is how I am doing things, these are my reasons and they are enough for me, so fuck off (and/or be banned, if GitHub has such a thing)" and instead goes on with some ill-reasoned tyrade. Before anyone brings this up: yes, he also mentions depression, which is no small thing, so demanding crystal-cut reasoning is also bullshit, but that is not my point, the latter being that the guy needs some care, and doesn't look like he understands that. Which means things are heading towards a disaster, sadly

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That may be, and he never mentions this in the now famous comment. Or was the message about Lutris being slop a harrasment? (question is genuine, I am somewhere in autistic spectrum)

    There was a lot of toxic conversations in Discord and on the forums for a while prior to his blowing up.

    The dev hasn't made a secret of his mental health struggles and he probably could have handled the situation a bit better. But, in the end, he's a guy making a tool that helps the entire community and even if you think AI tools run on the blood of sacrificed puppies, it isn't okay to harass someone personally.

    Argue about water usage or power usage, copyright issues, etc... but as soon as they start attacking the person directly it has gone way too far. His response could have been better, but the blame should be completely on the anti-ai harassment squad and not the lack of PR skills of a volunteer developer.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Blame for different things:

    Running around and cursing anyone using llm - that's an idiotic thing to do, and he is not the one doing it, of course

    not the lack of PR skills of a volunteer developer

    That's not what bothers me

    But, in the end, he’s a guy making a tool that helps the entire community

    While sacrificing his own life (time, energy, emotions, all it takes to keep doing it). That's not worth it, damn it. Doing something just to say "good luck figuring this out on your own, if it bothers you that much, you stupid fucks" is a priority shift from "what is good for me/project/community" to "what to do with project to stop this toxic shit". My answer is "Do nothing with the project. Get them to fuck off or get yourself out of their reach". And my requirement of anyone in charge of anything is clarity

    Edit: word "sacrificing" is important. Not sharing out of abundance, not serving out of devotion, but cutting from what he has and needs for the benefit of others

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I agree he's handled it badly, I just don't fault him much.

    He's just one guy who's suddenly the target of tens or hundreds of people who're directly harassing him everywhere that it is possible. He shouldn't be put in that position and, as bad as his response is, he's doing it in the context of a pressure and harassment campaign... not because he's suddenly developed animosity for the community.

    His response is bad, but the people creating the situation are the ones that shoulder the blame... imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    What's the replacement for lutris?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I've already replaced lutris with Heroic launcher + proton and wine-ge a year ago.

    Lutris install script already didn't work >50% of the time for me and battle.net always completely corrupts and messes up after a time on lutris and I have to reinstall it every few months, but has been going a year strong on heroic.

    You can also always look at the lutris install scripts and install those components in heroic via winetricks. They were made by the community anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For games. I have replaced it with steam as you can load none steam games and run them under proton. I have had great success. Outside of games I'm not sure.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Whatis the best alternative to lutris?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Has most options that Lutris or Bottles present in their GUI at this point with less cruft like adding entire game libraries from other clients or the mostly useless and often outdated install scripts.

    Gamescope doesn't work yet, despite having a toggle for it according to their github readme.

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