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Lutris maintainer: "I've removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's generated and what is not." (github.com)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.world
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[–] 63 points 7 months ago* (17 children)

Been chewing this since yesterday. Okay, here is my two cents:

  • yes, what LLM companies are doing is a problem. So dropping anything that has anything to do with their products is a sane way to make a statement
  • yes, LLMs can be used effectively in development. Whether Lutris author has been using them well - I don't know. Guess won't bother to check either, have other things to do
  • yes, doing the stunt with "good luck guessing what is what" is bullshit

Net total, given I've already dropped GNOME because of their culture: guess now I am dropping Lutris. Not because of AI per se, but because of "fuck you" move

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Net total, given I’ve already dropped GNOME because of their culture

    what was wrong with gnome's culture?

    I use KDE BTW, I don't want a fischer price/mac lookalike ui

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)
    • You want customisation? Use extensions
    • We broke extensions, because
    • Also, no API for extensions. Patch our code manually

    No integrity in that see I, so drop them I do (Yoda voice)

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    but because of “fuck you” move

    The guy removed the attribution because he is being harassed.

    The 'fuck you' move is the people harassing an open source dev. Those people are the source of the bad behavior, not the guy who volunteers his time maintaining an open source project for everyone to use.

    The anti-AI crowd is toxic and need to fuck off. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another thing to harass volunteers because they're using tools that the crowd has a hateboner for.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    The guy removed the attribution because he is being harassed

    That may be, and he never mentions this in the now famous comment. Or was the message about Lutris being slop a harrasment? (question is genuine, I am somewhere in autistic spectrum)

    The ‘fuck you’ move is the people harassing an open source dev

    That is not a decent behaviour, no questions. His doing something preemptively in regards to something that he says he doesn't see as an issue - that's some bullshit. I am not against him using llm tools, but I am not ok with someone who can't just say "this is how I am doing things, these are my reasons and they are enough for me, so fuck off (and/or be banned, if GitHub has such a thing)" and instead goes on with some ill-reasoned tyrade. Before anyone brings this up: yes, he also mentions depression, which is no small thing, so demanding crystal-cut reasoning is also bullshit, but that is not my point, the latter being that the guy needs some care, and doesn't look like he understands that. Which means things are heading towards a disaster, sadly

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That may be, and he never mentions this in the now famous comment. Or was the message about Lutris being slop a harrasment? (question is genuine, I am somewhere in autistic spectrum)

    There was a lot of toxic conversations in Discord and on the forums for a while prior to his blowing up.

    The dev hasn't made a secret of his mental health struggles and he probably could have handled the situation a bit better. But, in the end, he's a guy making a tool that helps the entire community and even if you think AI tools run on the blood of sacrificed puppies, it isn't okay to harass someone personally.

    Argue about water usage or power usage, copyright issues, etc... but as soon as they start attacking the person directly it has gone way too far. His response could have been better, but the blame should be completely on the anti-ai harassment squad and not the lack of PR skills of a volunteer developer.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Blame for different things:

    Running around and cursing anyone using llm - that's an idiotic thing to do, and he is not the one doing it, of course

    not the lack of PR skills of a volunteer developer

    That's not what bothers me

    But, in the end, he’s a guy making a tool that helps the entire community

    While sacrificing his own life (time, energy, emotions, all it takes to keep doing it). That's not worth it, damn it. Doing something just to say "good luck figuring this out on your own, if it bothers you that much, you stupid fucks" is a priority shift from "what is good for me/project/community" to "what to do with project to stop this toxic shit". My answer is "Do nothing with the project. Get them to fuck off or get yourself out of their reach". And my requirement of anyone in charge of anything is clarity

    Edit: word "sacrificing" is important. Not sharing out of abundance, not serving out of devotion, but cutting from what he has and needs for the benefit of others

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I agree he's handled it badly, I just don't fault him much.

    He's just one guy who's suddenly the target of tens or hundreds of people who're directly harassing him everywhere that it is possible. He shouldn't be put in that position and, as bad as his response is, he's doing it in the context of a pressure and harassment campaign... not because he's suddenly developed animosity for the community.

    His response is bad, but the people creating the situation are the ones that shoulder the blame... imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    What's the replacement for lutris?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I've already replaced lutris with Heroic launcher + proton and wine-ge a year ago.

    Lutris install script already didn't work >50% of the time for me and battle.net always completely corrupts and messes up after a time on lutris and I have to reinstall it every few months, but has been going a year strong on heroic.

    You can also always look at the lutris install scripts and install those components in heroic via winetricks. They were made by the community anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For games. I have replaced it with steam as you can load none steam games and run them under proton. I have had great success. Outside of games I'm not sure.

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