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[–] 105 points 8 months ago*

You're saying I get to pass my ships through the strait AND I get to expel Israeli and American psychos from my country?!

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  • [–] 84 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Canada isn’t part of the offer, but I’d be happy if we expelled Pete Hoekstra for nothing other than the joy of kicking that evil fat fuck out of the country.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    It would be awesome if we just did it anyways. Tho Danielle Smith would run with it in the dumbest way possible.

    Carney has made it clear his priority is establishing Canadian economic dominance. Perhaps when Canada holds more cards he will leverage them to intervene in Gaza. Perhaps.

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  • [–] 108 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It's too bad they limited this offer to Arab and European states or we could've done something pretty funny.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I must be dense because, I don't know what the funny impliction is. Please explain it to me 🥲

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The USA expels our own ambassadors and the ones from Israel in exchange for Iran's permission to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No fair, I wanna participate too! Can we expel our own diplomats to Iran?

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    How will Iran protect those ships from Israel and US?

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Normally I'd say "isn't that a silly question?"

    But considering the guys running this war are a drunk TV show host and an octogenarian TV show host with dementia, I could totally see them just bombing random ships for fun.

    After all, it makes them feel like a big boy and it's the peasants' kids that get to endure the consequences.

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Some people think it's super fun to beat up small-fingered vulgarians, too

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    My favorite bit from Spy magazine (which first called Trump a "short-fingered vulgarian" back in the '80s) was when they published an errata and apologized for calling Trump a "short-fingered Bulgarian" -- the apology was to Bulgaria.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Israel is also involved. I would be surprised if they didn't bomb anyone trying to take advantage of this offer. Especially if there were children on board.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "You gotta go after the families".

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That was the Trump quote that made me horrified at anyone who still supported him. Child murderer.

    Notably, he has a (adult) nephew that has stood on the side of justice and I bear no ill will to her.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    He has said and done so many things that would get anyone kicked out of politics 25 years ago. Howard Dean's campaign was scrubbed for an enthusiastic yell. Trump supporters are the main reason why I think democracy is doomed to fail, unless we can find a fair and unbiased way to remove the most vile, stupid and gullible people from the voting pool.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The narrative war has shifted, because "mass media" can now be targeted to a specific audience/person.

    In days of old, the narrative needed consistency. It needed dignity. It needed to survive the scrutiny of swing voters as well as the hardcore base. But now, the narrative shifts from person to person. A conservative Republican voter might see articles about how Trump is cutting taxes for businesses, but they won't hear much about the very real concerns - corruption, pedophilia, mental health issues.

    And since AI can generate article after article, there's never a lack of propaganda for people like this. They happily scroll their newsfeed, believing every lie.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I couldn't, at least not until several years more of their regime. Israel, on the other hand, got away with flagrantly drone bombing a Gaza bound humanitarian fleet even while it was docked in a foreign country. They would totally false flag attack anyone who actually agreed to expel their ambassadors for passage.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The is is not going to blow up a Chinese boat for example....

    Or maybe it will.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What is this picture from? (I mean what show / movie, do you know?)

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    It's a meme made in reference to Baldur's Gate 3 character Shadowheart.

    There are times (idk if it's been patched out or not but was a thing at release) where Shadowheart would "disapprove" of certain dialogue choices made during what are supposed to be private scenes between you and another character, most notably one scene where you and said other character wander off into the woods for some sexy times.

    Thus, the meme of Shadowheart spying on you from the bushes while judging your actions.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ok where is the article I swear the BBC hide this shit to spin narratives

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Awww, I wanna kick out our Israeli and USan ambassadors!

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, we all want to kick the Israeli and US ambassadors.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn't matter, if their insurance doesn't cover it no ship is going to risk it.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Cover the boat in iranian and palestinian flags, plaster it

    No US-approved ship will ever have the balls to do that and piss of their overlord Bibi so they know to just trust, bet it would go damn smoothly and even insurance wouldn't bitch about it

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago
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    Gansta for Iran, but typical Trump style

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (42 children)

    Does Iran actually have the capability to close the Strait though? I thought every naval asset they have has been flattened.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    It’s already closed. The threat and the resulting insurance pull is all that’s needed. https://shanakaanslemperera.substack.com/p/actuarial-warfare-how-seven-insurance

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Trade ships will redirect at even the threat of being met with any confrontation. It is not worth the risk. Iran doesn't need a Navy to do this either. They need a couple dudes with AKs in a speedboat.

    For more info. Just look at Yemen's blockade as an example.

    Ships aren't gonna risk massive payloads. Insurance won't cover the loss either.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Don't even need to get near the ocean, they can just sit inland and launch drones and rockets at passing ships like the Houthis did.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yep. Which is why I'm really confused by the reports of them "mining" it today. I'm really wondering if it's just a fake "win" the US is trying to manufacture.

    Maybe they are trying to do it. But it doesn't make sense at all with their messages of allowing passage to states that boot US and Israeli ambassadors. Even if the mines can be deactivated it still doesn't make sense strategically for Iran to do that.

    Was watching the reporting live with CBS saying that Iran was placing mines. Then Trump gets on and says we stopped them from doing it. Just doesn't add up at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah. Every major news outlet is complicit. Charlie's Broadcast Station is full Nazi now. I have have cut off all mainstream media for my sanity because it certainly isn't making more informed.

    As for the mine claims, I think it's that Iran knows how our chickenshit post-industrialized vibe economy works. Just claiming they've mined the strait is causing the market to shit it's pants regardless of it it's true or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Interesting take on the mines I haven't thought about. Would make sense.

    I agree. I do still try to follow how the mainstream media is trying to build its narrative. Though I would definitely be mentally healthy without it.

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  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Iran can close the straight with like 2 dudes with RPGs.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'm picturing two Iranian guys, sitting in beach chairs next to the straight, sipping coctails, next to a crate marked "RPG".

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Oil tankers tend to be a pretty risk-averse group. They're not going to risk getting hit and having their multi-million dollar cargo go up in flames, even if the risk of getting hit while transiting the strait is relatively low.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago*

    Considering it has signficantly affected oil prices. Yes.

    A large amount of ships are currently stuck in the persian gulf. A significant portion of this is because they do not want to take the risk. The threat is enough to be effective but Iran is also enforcing it.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    The Straits are 20 miles at the narrowest. they can hit ships with artillery. Plus they also have drones, which they've been using to hit over ten oil tankers since the illegal war began

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    I've been wondering the same thing.

    It's a baller thing to say. But if they've lost air superiority (or even if it's compromised) then it doesn't mean much.

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  • [–] [S] 42 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    I read somewhere that Iran can close the strait without a full-scale naval engagement using selective drone strikes and harassing vessels, Iran triggers a spike in maritime insurance premiums which will choke shipping companies. Also because of the narrow width of the strait, also shallow, Iran can use mines, they have both simple contact mines to sophisticated "smart" mines, apparently they possesses one of the largest naval mine inventories in the world.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    Those are fair points. They don't need to block all targeted traffic. They just have to be enough of a threat/pain in the ass for transportation and insurance rates to go up to an uncomfortable level. It's all about threat and perception.

    Sure, the US air force and navy could bomb the shit out of their artillery placements. But given how (relatively) cheap and effective drones are, that might not be as effective as it seems at first.

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  • [+] -33 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    They're a petrostate with a hopelessly outdated air force, the US or any other developed country can destroy their infrastructure at their leisure and bring their economy to it's knees. Which they would happily do if Iran sinks a vessel flagged in their waters.

    They also need a working vessel to lay those mines.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    You realize that threats like this don't work AFTER you already did it, right?

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    There will be something they haven't hit yet.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, and they are going to bomb it regardless, you see the problem with killing the people you were negotiating with? The next guy isn't going to come to the table.

    Think Americans are going to give up all their comforts and wealth just to bump off Iran?

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    lol a country and people that has existed in that region for thousands of years hosting multiple land empires, survived multiple genocidal Mongol hordes....is a petrostate that will crumble if you just bomb some stuff.

    Fucking Americunt MAGA brainrot.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Lmao, what fucking reality do you live in. The war is already going on, they've been attacking iran for like 2 weeks now. What is this "the USA can DESTROY them if they DARE target our ships" shit? Strait's closed. try and open it, bitch

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  • [+] -17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's not really baller if everyone just ignores them, and joins a US led convoy through the Strait.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Neat, the US taxpayers are going to spend billions of dollars to escort oil for the Arabs. All in order to reduce the value of America's own oil exports. How likely do you think that is?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty likely. Iran will break before America.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Except you can't even define what that means. How does Iran "break"? They are literally just existing in their country. Where are they supposed to go? Closing the straight was a RESPONSE to American bombings of civilian targets. Are they supposed to just let the US bomb more civilian targets or else they will keep bombing civilian targets? How does that even make sense?

    Conversely, the US is spending billions of dollars to do what, exactly? What are the American people getting back on this investment? Do you really think that Americans are going to tolerate increased costs of every product they purchase forever just to achieve the ....... that is the goal of this whole enterprise?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    GCC US colonial bases are completely destroyed to point, where they are unlikely to be rebuilt. Trump's threat of pure terrorism on Iran infrastructure puts GCC infrastructure and survivability at retaliatory risk, with US utterly incapable or unwilling to divert defensive resources away from Zionazi master.

    I'm unsure if quote is real, but GCC needs to, if not outright ally with Iran, assert their full neutrality and disinvest from US and Israel, arrest and deport all US military, seize any remaining equipment, join BRICS and SCO. A worse betrayal to humanity by Zionazi axis terrorist strikes, means desperate measures by GCC to save themselves from Iran, as a bigger threat than Israeli black flag intimidation.

    Trump's escalating desperation rhetoric from Yesterday, should be framed as setting up the total annihilation of Gulf ally metropolises and directly threatening their financialization of US economy, and westernish real estate wealth in the region.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 8 months ago

    It appears to be true with fact checking here

    "The claim is indeed true that Iran has offered 'full right and freedom' to transit the strategic waterway if Arab and European nations sever ties with the US and Israel, as per state broadcaster IRIB."

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Literally the most based shit I have read all year

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago

    More like a "gangster rapper" move, because that's just saying dumb shit.

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