Moon hummus. delicious
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Mmm, moon hummus 😋
You need humus to grow hummus ;)
imagine it was way better then earth chickpeas
and it made the hummus better
because hot damn, that shit doesn't exist anywhere else that we know of. Soil is a product of millions of years of complex interactions between plants, bacteria and water and fungus and other life forms.
Actually, you only need ground bedrock, some organic matter and some bugs & and worms and a few years (like, 2 to 6). And Mykorrhiza and water of course, for most plants.
But the Moon is special in that it doesn't have erosion, the "dust" is in the form of microscopic shards, sticky and abrasive.
While dry desert planets like Mars – with erosion — have mostly the Australian kind of fine dust, which also sticks to everything, but is not abrasive.
Btw, there's also Orsol farming; growing them on a sponge, with nothing but some fertilizer juice. Though they are usually more bland, since they lack some micronutrients (due to the lack of Mykorrhiza, among others).
we'd be the compost planet. we'd live on their food scraps, and they'd harvest the results
Sure, but the alternative is to stop destroying our own soils and respect our ecosystem, and humanity has proven it will take on any challenge except cleaning up after ourselves
Look at a Saturn V. Look at a bag of chickpeas. If you think somehow launching a Saturn V (at a minimum) to get back a bag of chickpeas is somehow better for our ecosystem, I think I see why humanity is doomed.
Space Nuttery is not the solution to anything.
That’s exactly what I mean - we come up with all sorts of madness to grow food and obtain resources from further away. And society completely glosses over how impractical and wasteful it all is.
Meanwhile, what we could use is treat our planet properly and succeed with the amazing gifts it already provides. We are the only species that seems hell bent on sh*tting where we eat, and we come up with these inefficient strategies all to avoid cleaning up after ourselves
I was thinking this was future planning for the other direction. While actually having a permanent colony of civilians on the moon is unrealistic, having a layover/fueling station on the moon that will have a small population of researchers, engineers, etc. is actually pretty feasible, and any mass sent up there will still be expensive. Shipping seeds is significantly cheaper than shipping food, and dirt is heavy, so you want to ship as little of it as possible. If it's possible to grow stuff in lunar soil, that drastically decreases the amount of mass that needs to be sent.
I’ve also learned about it being sharp. What I haven’t heard answered is this. It’s sharp because there’s no weather to wear it down. If there were, how easily would it wear down? Does it crumble the second anything touches it? Being sharp and staying sharp are two different things. How much of a threat is this stuff, actually?
Mixing vermicompost into the regolith seems a bit like cheating.
Vermicompost is something you can readily make on the moon, meaning with this it proves you can take a resource available on the moon and grow in it.
Big deal IMO.
Well. “Proves” since it’s simulated regolith, not real regolith, and it was done on earth.
I started out wondering if this simulation would work again in lunar gravity, and now we also need vermiculture to work in lunar gravity.
We’re already working on worms in space!
https://www.esa.int/kids/en/news/Worms_in_space
Granted these aren’t the works we’d make vermicompost from … but still steps in that direction
The article seems to imply the compost was added to both the plants with/without the fungi?
Definitely cheating in the "can we grow plants?" department, but still useful information.
[..] then once plants get started it will work towards making even more compost/soil.
Compost is biomaterial so it manly consists of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen. The only part of that you can find on the moon is oxygen, so you can't expand beyond the amount of air and biomass (manly food) you ship from earth.
What would you propose, then?
We use organic amendments all the time when reclaiming historically mined lands that did not salvage soils.
Soils take millennia to form, and you're not going to get fertile soils without either kickstarting the process or waiting.
Another commentator points out that using arbuscular mychorrizhal fungi is also cheating. Again, how?
To have a functional soil and not regolith you need the following:
- An organic matter source - regolith lacks this
- A moisture retaining media - regolith usually has this but its ability varies widely
- Enough rooting depth for your desired plants
- A method to transform organic matter to nutrients - regolith generally lacks this
Organic matter is your pool of nutrients and microbes and fungi are what mineralize this pool into plant available forms, so saying they are cheating doesnt hold water (like a shitty regolith).
But I can grow plants in glass beads! Sure you can, but you're supplying chemical fertilizer to do it and constantly replacing that - so in this case you're the organic matter pool and the transformation vector.
What capitalization rules are being applied in this headline? Seems like it's out of The Art of the Style by Trump & White.
Holy fuck you stacked the diss
Did they poop in it?
FINALLY, I mean come on it is embarassing it took them this long, we were all waiting don't tell me you weren't.
FFS... You can't grow anything without an atmosphere.
No but it does mean we don't need to ship up potting soil if a base were to be established.
Oh god, even in space there’s no escape from those bland awful little balls of mundanity. Surely it would be cheaper and less resource intensive for the astronauts to just roll up little balls of cardboard and eat them. The effect would be the same
No idea what you're on about, chickpeas are GOAT. Tasty, full of good stuff for you, brings lots of vegetal protein, and, like, hummus??
I bet this will be the cheapest protein available in space in the future.
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