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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    because hot damn, that shit doesn't exist anywhere else that we know of. Soil is a product of millions of years of complex interactions between plants, bacteria and water and fungus and other life forms.

    Actually, you only need ground bedrock, some organic matter and some bugs & and worms and a few years (like, 2 to 6). And Mykorrhiza and water of course, for most plants.

    But the Moon is special in that it doesn't have erosion, the "dust" is in the form of microscopic shards, sticky and abrasive.

    While dry desert planets like Mars – with erosion — have mostly the Australian kind of fine dust, which also sticks to everything, but is not abrasive.

    Btw, there's also Orsol farming; growing them on a sponge, with nothing but some fertilizer juice. Though they are usually more bland, since they lack some micronutrients (due to the lack of Mykorrhiza, among others).

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Funny I didn't know that word "Orsol". Guess it's another word coming directly from the French : "Hors-sol" (literally "out-of-the-ground" or "off-ground") which is used for growing plants in an artificial substrate.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Sure, but the alternative is to stop destroying our own soils and respect our ecosystem, and humanity has proven it will take on any challenge except cleaning up after ourselves

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Look at a Saturn V. Look at a bag of chickpeas. If you think somehow launching a Saturn V (at a minimum) to get back a bag of chickpeas is somehow better for our ecosystem, I think I see why humanity is doomed.

    Space Nuttery is not the solution to anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That’s exactly what I mean - we come up with all sorts of madness to grow food and obtain resources from further away. And society completely glosses over how impractical and wasteful it all is.

    Meanwhile, what we could use is treat our planet properly and succeed with the amazing gifts it already provides. We are the only species that seems hell bent on sh*tting where we eat, and we come up with these inefficient strategies all to avoid cleaning up after ourselves

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I was thinking this was future planning for the other direction. While actually having a permanent colony of civilians on the moon is unrealistic, having a layover/fueling station on the moon that will have a small population of researchers, engineers, etc. is actually pretty feasible, and any mass sent up there will still be expensive. Shipping seeds is significantly cheaper than shipping food, and dirt is heavy, so you want to ship as little of it as possible. If it's possible to grow stuff in lunar soil, that drastically decreases the amount of mass that needs to be sent.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    I’ve also learned about it being sharp. What I haven’t heard answered is this. It’s sharp because there’s no weather to wear it down. If there were, how easily would it wear down? Does it crumble the second anything touches it? Being sharp and staying sharp are two different things. How much of a threat is this stuff, actually?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Mixing vermicompost into the regolith seems a bit like cheating.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Vermicompost is something you can readily make on the moon, meaning with this it proves you can take a resource available on the moon and grow in it.

    Big deal IMO.

    Well. “Proves” since it’s simulated regolith, not real regolith, and it was done on earth.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I started out wondering if this simulation would work again in lunar gravity, and now we also need vermiculture to work in lunar gravity.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    The article seems to imply the compost was added to both the plants with/without the fungi?

    Definitely cheating in the "can we grow plants?" department, but still useful information.

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  • [+] 15 points 8 months ago* (3 children)
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    [..] then once plants get started it will work towards making even more compost/soil.

    Compost is biomaterial so it manly consists of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen. The only part of that you can find on the moon is oxygen, so you can't expand beyond the amount of air and biomass (manly food) you ship from earth.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    What would you propose, then?

    We use organic amendments all the time when reclaiming historically mined lands that did not salvage soils.

    Soils take millennia to form, and you're not going to get fertile soils without either kickstarting the process or waiting.

    Another commentator points out that using arbuscular mychorrizhal fungi is also cheating. Again, how?

    To have a functional soil and not regolith you need the following:

    • An organic matter source - regolith lacks this
    • A moisture retaining media - regolith usually has this but its ability varies widely
    • Enough rooting depth for your desired plants
    • A method to transform organic matter to nutrients - regolith generally lacks this

    Organic matter is your pool of nutrients and microbes and fungi are what mineralize this pool into plant available forms, so saying they are cheating doesnt hold water (like a shitty regolith).

    But I can grow plants in glass beads! Sure you can, but you're supplying chemical fertilizer to do it and constantly replacing that - so in this case you're the organic matter pool and the transformation vector.

    @melfie@lemy.lol @cadekat@pawb.social

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    What capitalization rules are being applied in this headline? Seems like it's out of The Art of the Style by Trump & White.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Hydroponics can grow plants too

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Now all they need are some daal and rice

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    i cant wait to eat Lunar Falafel.

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    FINALLY, I mean come on it is embarassing it took them this long, we were all waiting don't tell me you weren't.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Moon curry when?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Now grow beans!

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    FFS... You can't grow anything without an atmosphere.

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    [+] -9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Oh god, even in space there’s no escape from those bland awful little balls of mundanity. Surely it would be cheaper and less resource intensive for the astronauts to just roll up little balls of cardboard and eat them. The effect would be the same

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No idea what you're on about, chickpeas are GOAT. Tasty, full of good stuff for you, brings lots of vegetal protein, and, like, hummus??

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