They are currently voting on amends to the regulation. The "Chat Control" proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos. This threatens fundamental privacy rights and digital security for all EU citizens.

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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[–] 37 points 8 months ago (16 children)

What is going on here with the German social democrats (SPD) voting in favor of chat control and the conservative "christian" party (CDU) against it?

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    Exactly the same with the Portuguese parties. The conservative PSD voted against (like "Pirates"), and the socialist PS voted in favour (like the polish "PiS"). I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago*

    The SPD is social democrat in name only, in reality, since the first Schröder government, they have been a cheap CDU copy.

    And when it comes to supporting authoritarian bullshit, they do have a long history. In the early days of Weimar Republic, the Ebert government did collaborate with far-right paramilitary groups in order to quell unrest. (Using machine guns on striking workers and murdering leaders of opposing political movements)

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The SPD has been for it for atleast 20 decades. Cdu/csu...idk they are weird

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    If the CDU/CSU does something unexpected, it's always a good idea to assume someone is paying them for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Or paid not enough for them to vote for it?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Highly unlikely, because besides being corrupt to the core, the CDU are a bunch of authoritarian bastards who will happily vote for any dystopian police state bullshit even without being paid for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Which makes it strange, doesn't it? If they are so dystopian, who paid them to not to vote for that? Pretty much all the shady financial supporters should be for chat control and only dystopian parties didn't vote for it while allegedly progressive party did.

    That is so weird to see ngl.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    while allegedly progressive party did.

    I don't even know anymore what progressive is supposed to mean, it's thrown around just like every other political bullshit word.

    Also, the SPD has been a copy of the CDU in red for decades. From them, I expected that vote. The unexpected really is the CDU.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    It seems to be the case in most other countries. I don't get it either. I can only think that those barely left from center parties are all falling for the "gotta protect the kids against all evil by removing all anonymity". But all those right parties... Are they against chat control? Since when? Or is it the wrong kind of chat control for them? Don't get it at all, but well, at least this crap was rejected (until the next time they try again).

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    German Social Democrats are actual vegetables. They don‘t think. They just do what they‘re told. I genuinely forget they exist sometimes. It feels like this country is ruled by conservatives and no one else.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    most socalist governments like mine (Spain's) vote in favour of these kind of stuff. They want more control, not less lol. And believe it or not, most right wing parties that usually are somewhat nationalist, tend to believe their own people deserve privacy or media freedom or whatever, no matter what other countries think

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    i emailed all my meps in regard to this a few months ago, and charlie weimers was the only one who responded. his claim was that "SD has been against chat control from the start".

    so that was a fucking lie.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    As someone pointed out at the cross-post: The image is dated 02 march 2025.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am surprised that in Germany CDU and AfD are against while SPD is for chat control. Seems like SPD wants to shoot themselves in a foot for some reason.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 8 months ago

    According to this other post by Tuta:

    Final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 just started between the European Commission, the European Parliament, and the Council of the EU. What is good: ✅️ Encryption will not be broken What is bad: ❌️ Commission & Council want #IDchecks

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Wow, I am sooooooo shocked that all the Swedes voted for it. The nazis, the centre, and the social democrats all holding hands and singing 'we shall overcome.'

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • "Mary Khan" "AfD"

    sus

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    France Italy get your shit together

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    [–] 65 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I will never vote for SPD again. Bunch of rotten traitors.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    On toward Die Linke and Grünen!

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    [–] 41 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    That is interesting. Why in Germany and Austria far-right (AfD, CDU, OVP) are against but center-left / liberals (SPD, SPO) are in favor, while for example in France and Czech Republic it is opposite (RN in favor, EELV against; ANO in favor, KDU-CSL against)?

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    because civil liberties don't fit neatly into a left-right spectrum, despite being a lot more important than the economic policies that the left-right spectrum aims to describe, which is why I think the left-right spectrum is mostly useless

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yess! Indeed interesting, maybe member of german and Austria far right parties use chat apps within scope and fear to get caught doing whatever they do 🤔

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why in Germany and Austria far-right (AfD, CDU, OVP) are against

    I guess a combination of contrarianism and the control not going far enough.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Probably more likely that they are against it as long as they can be targeted. They want to wait until they are in charge politically and can control it, and then they'll be behind it so they can target their perceived enemies.

    Pretty much how it went here in the USA. All the shit the right wing used to scream and rail against is everything they're instituting now that they feel relatively sure they won't have to let go of the power in the future. Once they get their tentacles in, they'll turn on a dime and support it.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    Man that’s a lot of political parties, have you guys ever tried just having one like us in the US? please help us

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Glad to see so many against, horrible to see that many for, let's not let this get passed.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The date says 2nd march 2025.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, and it also says LIBE, which is the committee, not plenary, where this was recently voted on. It's clearly not enough members for a plenary vote, this post is misinformation as titled.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes that was my confusion, that's also why not all countries are present in this vote. The original post is trying to raise attention because the vote for the Chat Control 2.0 is starting these days.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Still too many in favour

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    No surprise seeing the right voting for that shit. Tells me all I need to know about the actual motives….

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The Italian left voted in favour (what a huge disappointment). FI voted against and it's a right wing party.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    López Aguilar es un cabrón. Tener que tirar del PP y de Comuns para tirar la propuesta....

    Translation from Spanish: López Aguilar is a S.O.B. Having to resort to PP and Comuns to take down the proposal...

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    SPD ab jetzt noch unwählbarer. Hätte nicht gedacht, dass das geht.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No Denmark anywhere?

    I thought there were many Danish politician for.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    why are there some member states not represented here?

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    [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    There's a party called "Pirates"...

    On a serious note, I'm not familiar with those that were absent, but I always advise to check if it's common for them to vanish when touchy subjects are discussed.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Loving the guillotine list is marked in red🥰

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Vertical stripes for, horizontal stripes against. Interesting.

    The In Favour section should be empty, it’s disgusting that it’s got anyone at all in it.

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