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[+] 210 points 8 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 78 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Hitchhikers Guide? I feel like I've read that somewhere...?

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    well, they tried to warn humans but alas they were only able to make out

    So long, and thanks for all the fish

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    They did warn one person: Wonko the Sane.

    He’s probably my favorite character in all the books.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I'd forgotten about him and his wife... might be time to read that series again. It's my all time favorite. I can't even tell you how many times i have read it or listened or watched! It's a story that came into my life at just the right time and I can honestly say it was a singular in helping me survive my childhood

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    It’s my Torah.

    Discworld is my Talmud.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Discworld is my new obsession

    Small Gods is so fucking good, I can't express how amazing in so many ways that book spoke to me. It's more biblical than anything else I have ever read

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    I am so excited for you! I’ve been through all of it at least twice but I’ll never forget my first time.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I've heard so much great stuff about the series, but I've heard conflicting things about where to start.

    If you were going to start over, never having read any of them, what would be your preferred order?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    The way I came into it was reading them all in order. I’m told this is not the best way and that there are flow charts.

    But I like this way because I got to see how Sir Pterry evolved as an author and I got to see them in somewhat disjointed order rather than going through individual characters or arcs. It felt more like a fleshed out universe that way, and I love great universe building.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    Publication order is probably fine, though it takes a few books for him to settle into his general story structure. It's not the only way, and unless you're going to sprint through them in relatively quick succession it's probably not the best way, as you may get lost in some of the focused character development.

    This is a bit of an open question. Most of the books center around one or another subgroup of characters (City Watch, the wizards, the witches, Death, etc.), although there's some overlap. The way I've been going through seems to be roughly the agreed upon "best" way: choose one of these sub-groups and read all the books that center around them in order, then move on to another.

    Those sub-series are relatively self-contained, so I think you get more from exploring a theme from beginning to end than jumping from theme to theme. There are several tie-ins, but I don't think they're substantial enough to agonize over missing context.

    Personally, I'd either start with Guards! Guards! or Going Postal, as they're the beginnings of the more grounded sub-series and give you a good foundation of the world in general, and Ankh-Morpork in particular. But as long as you're not skipping ahead in a sub-series, you should be fine.

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Does this include the plot points where there’s a misunderstanding in a relationship? Like where a girl sees her boyfriend hug another girl but doesn’t know it’s his cousin or something and instead of talking about it just ignores him and so he ignores her and it’s just dumb and entirely avoidable?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Often, but not always, yes. If the misunderstanding is reasonable and they had ample opportunity for an explanation but didn't, then yes, it's an idiot plot.

    If they legitimately didn't have an opportunity to explain, or the explanation, while true, was completely unbelievable, that's not an idiot plot IMO.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I feel like there are so many plots that stem from simple miscommunications or a lack of communication between two charatcers which would easily resolve the whole situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    That's similar to the one where the couple breaks up over a misunderstanding and all it takes is one of them explaining in like 10s. But instead someone storms off while the other pleas, and deep down you're like, "That motherfucker so wanted it to end anyway."

    But then we deal with post-break up scenes and you realise they're just idiots that still haven't even thought to clear up the misunderstanding via a single text, call, or friend. It could all be resolved, laughed about, and fucking again like that afternoon.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I think idiot plot is supposed to be so stupid that it's essentially not possible to happen irl

    The example you outlined could happen in real life if one person completely blocks the other or something

    Would be an idiot plot if everyone involved is fully able to communicate to the other parties, everyone has plenty of information, and they decide to go through with whatever stupid shit they think they need to do, that would be completely unavoidable and anyone with half a brain would understand that they don't need to do what they think they need to do.

    Like a movie where there's a killer on the loose and nobody thinks of even trying to call the police. No "oh there's no signal here", just straight up nobody even tries.

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    [–] 89 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    That's why It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is my favorite show. 100% idiot plots all the way down. They represent some of the worst human beings on Earth, and it's more fun to laugh at the morons than think about how much they're fucking up life for the rest of us...

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Seinfeld is also like that. The best ones are where all their individual idiocy ends up making a spectacular fireball of stupidity.

    Though I hope Earth gets a better finale.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wouldn't Arrested Development fit in here too?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No, they're not just idiots, and not just "bad people" like in Seinfeld, but powerfully stupid and actively hateful. I just can't stomach that show.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I recently watched a miniseries called A Teacher, in which a highschool teacher has an affair with her student and there are actual consequences. With all the people in the epstein files that are escaping justice, it was kind of cathartic to watch a sexual predator be punished for her actions

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    I remember the first season or two that it was out, it was too stressful for me to watch. At that point I had simply never seen any fiction with that level of consistent, nonstop manic trainwreck quality and it was overwhelming at first. Loved it after I acclimated, of course.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    So... the majority of popular sitcoms and movies.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't this the plot of C-SPAN?

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I always call the trope "Steve" when I see it.

    "Hey look, Steve left the door open so the dinosaurs got out."

    "Oh no, Steve forgot to zip his hazmat suit now all the apes are smart."

    "Steve took his helmet off on an alien planet because the air smelled fine."

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What do we call it when it happens in real life? The News...
    Do I put the /s?

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    it's also known as life

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The entirety of American history, or at least since Jan 6, 2021, when Trump would have been immediately arrested and tried for treason in a sane and efficient society

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I earned my Reddit permaban because I said that in most countries throughout history, on the evening of a failed coup like Jan 6, the entire staff of the White House would have been dragged out onto the lawn of the White House and publicly executed.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    That's the entire "It's always sunny" plot!

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)
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    just like all the news coming from the US nowadays

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Once you learn that term, you start noticing it everywhere in movies and shows. So many conflicts would disappear if just one character asked a simple question. 😅

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    There is also another similar trope, defined by "Any problem important to the plot that can be solved by 5min honest conversation between participating parties"

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Makes me think of Gilligan's Island. The scientist could make a radio from a coconut, but couldn't fix a hole in the side of a boat, and no one questioned that.

    Show should have been over in no more than 2 episodes.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I always wondered why they brought all those clothes on a "three hour tour."

    Honestly, I think the skipper was a proto-Epstein, and had cooked up a scheme with that Sociopathic Oligarch Thurston Howell III to kidnap the hot Ginger, and the adorable MaryAnn, to be their sex slaves on his private island.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Sons of Anarchy. There's a season ender where some Irish bloke kidnaps a child and sails away. They had to make an entire season in Ireland because these knobheads of criminal but also mechanics can't figure out to follow the kidnapper on water, even though they're standing on a pier with hundreds of boats.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    They are motorcycle guys and were looking for jet skis, the motorcycle of the ocean.

    I remember watching SoA, because people said it was good. It was alright i guess, from the three or so episodes i've seen. I read somewhere that the ending was mind-blowingly bad, so i peeped on YouTube and i had to laugh so god damn hard and i knew i could never again take this show seriously and stopped watching

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I have no idea how I made it through that entire series. I don't even remember anything about the ending, other than relief. Right from the beginning I was constantly telling my wife "these are the stupidest criminals ever".

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    I'm wondering about examples of this sort of movie. Are they talking about obvious ones like Dumb and Dumber, Blazing Saddles, Airplane!, etc.?

    Or do they mean movies that were supposed to be serious, but are accidentally bad because of bad writing?

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean a whole lot of horror movies would end in 5-15 minutes if the victims weren't idiots who decide to explore the obviously dangerous "thing".

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Romcoms are notorious for it as so many plots come down to a refusal to stop and communicate

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Good one. Yeah, there's some misunderstanding, and she yells at him and stomps out, and he never bothers to say "I wasn't even there, I was at work." But then you wouldn't have 90 minutes of hijinx as he goes on some half-baked but romantic plan to win her back, involving a hot air balloon and dynamite.

    Instead of just telling her what really happened.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I mean, if my experience is any indication, she won't listen... But then again, it turns out my wife was passive aggressively trying to get me to leave her for years but I was too oblivious to get her hints...

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I always go back to Prometheus when talking about the "Idiot Ball" because it’s the gold standard. You’ve got these world-class scientists sent on a trillion-dollar mission who don't even know what they’re doing there until they wake up from cryo, and then they immediately act like children playing in a backyard.

    The second the sensors say the air is "breathable," they’re ripping their helmets off like they’ve never heard of a space-virus or a spore. It’s insane. Then you’ve got the biologist, a literal professional, seeing a hissing, alien "space-cobra" in a clear threater posture and his first instinct is to try and pet it like a stray cat.

    And don't even get me started on the guy who literally mapped the cave with high-tech drones being the one who gets hopelessly lost in it. Or the "Prometheus School of Running Away from Things" where you run in a perfectly straight line under a falling, circular ship instead of just... stepping to the left? It’s like the script needed the plot to happen so badly that it just stripped every character of their survival instincts and professional training.

    Compare that to competency porn shows, like the Martian, where they FEEL like the best of the best

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I used to hate Prometheus but caught a second viewing years later and came around a bit. The running only straight thing is… yeah. But I’ll defend the inclusion of stupid scientists as a key part of the story because the movie goes out of its way to show that these are people only interested in getting paid, which suggests they might not be the best scientists. Yeah, it’s a “trillion dollar mission,” but I’d assume that in the future that trillion dollars isn’t as much as it might be for us. So these are, perhaps, the cheapest scientists that Wayland can buy, the sort of guys who’d give up years of their lives and careers to fuck off on a starship based solely on the premise of “we might find the aliens that made us.”

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    See: Alien Earth.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Isn’t this most horror movies? “Oh I’m going off alone”, “let’s check this really dark and creepy area”, “let’s go find the source of that errie noise!” As that all drop one by one.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It makes more sense to me conceptually if I just imagine that most people in this country in the last decade had the tops of their skulls removed, had someone take a dump in there, and then seal it back up.

    Seems like there are a lot of 💩🧠s floating around nowadays.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Didn't the secretary of health in the US have worms in his brain. You could easily make a modern DnD setting where the US is slowly being taken over by mindflayers who influence the gullible masses and the rest of the world has to deal with the fallout from this.

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    In literary criticism world politics

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    i usually dont have much of a problem with these, but i have seen one example where the protagonist had the super power of super intelligence

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's always sunny does this brilliantly.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    The boy in the striped pajamas

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Oh look, the USA

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    They did read my memoirs!

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I assume we can add “coming clean” to this?

    Where a whole movies plot could be solved by the characters just listening to each other

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The plot of Lucy could have been avoided with a set of bolt cutters

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    Every horror movie:

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Reminds me a lot of Gears of War 4 and some of 5.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    That sounds like the Trump Administration’s whole plan

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