Plant the first seed and create those groups.

The XMPP channel search has a few channels that are not assorted geekery, but yeah most of it is.

Nothing will ever be just "docker compose up" but checkout movim. I think it's good. Haven't used it myself yet.

It's not quite as simple as a single docker compose, but the Element Server Suite for hosting a matrix home server (synapse) was fairly simple to get working.

Yeah I have the same issue.

With this kind of mentality, nobody will ever migrate and one will have to deal with Discord's horrible terms and conditions

Great bot

i quite liked element as a replacement for whatsapp and discord when i got a few people to switch. just had too much stability issues at the time and they went back. will never get them to switch again...even with ads and age verification crap going on.

The main complaints about Matrix I've heard though are about behind the scenes stuff rather than features, which the video touches on:

But there are some reasons why I think XMPP is superior. In Matrix, when you join a room, your server downloads and stores the entire history of that room. If someone on a federated server posts illegal content in a room you're in, your server is now hosting it, and you are liable. Whereas in XMPP, messages are relayed in real time. Group chat, MU history stays on your server hosting that room. So your server only stores messages for your users which means that no content caching there is no content caching from other servers. This is a fundamental architectural difference which makes the XMPP protocol better in my opinion.

Personally I don't know that much about it but I briefly looked into what it would take to write a client for Matrix a few years ago and it seemed pretty daunting to work with. Maybe it would be possible to write software that implements more Discord features on top of XMPP to have something that works more smoothly.

Whether or not XMPP is a Signal or a Discord replacement is dependant on the client.

For a Discord replacement, there is the Movim XMPP client, which has group audio/video calls, screensharing (w/audio using chromium based browser), support for gifs and videos within the chat, and very soon Discord-like servers with rooms, after which the dev plans to work on drop-in voice chat rooms.

which features are missing from xmpp that are necessary for most gamer groups? is it the protocol that is missing the support, or specific implementations? genuinely asking since I'd been considering setting up an xmpp server for my gaming groups

XMPP is just the protocol, you can create a client which looks like any proprietary alternative like Discord (fluux tries to have the same look for example)

Movim is IMO the best alternative using XMPP and it's adding more and more features the last weeks stay tuned! see here

I've seen this posted several times and this is the second time I've tried to access their self-hosting docs and get a 404. Where's everyone going for installation instructions?

The sentiment I keep seeing is that it's vibe coded, though the dev claims that AI was used but not in any core components. It's one I'll be waiting out personally, the whole huntarr situation has me pretty skeptical of any new projects

1. Self-hosting guide appears missing
2. Other guides have crazy writing errors
3. Setup looks convoluted.

What I've seen makes me bet I could be dragging iso27002 out and marking all the rules it breaks. ..and the devs won't know what that means.

I think generally more positive than negative, but hesitant. There are so many different competing apps and discord copies that have risen and fallen, it's hard to really get attached to any that have little movement in fighting the network effect.

Seeing it already has the beginnings of enshitification with freemium features, while federation is "in development", particularly in communities like lemmy the question become why pick this over something that already exists and is an open standard?

Like looking at the "plutonium" page, it's clear they want to copy the features of discord nitro, and if we are to fight the network effect fight with the energy of discord's recent fuck up, I would rather land on XMPP or Matrix, if I have any push.

I've tried it. It performs poorly.

I love it and use it daily. Once it becomes stable, gets a docker container and documents the self-hosting flow, it will rule the universe.

That there's no shortage of wheels being reinvented, and that it takes insights developed over decades to be relevant in this field. To avoid.

Yeah. It sucks that the protocol works and everyone can use it. It's the worst.

Fluxer is very untested and also run by a single commercial company (afaik). It looks promising, but I would not recommend it right now, maybe in a few years once it becomes clear where this is heading.

If you want a less techy people friendly app then there is https://movim.eu/ that works quite well and is proven tech based on XMPP.

No mobile app, single provider and no federation to ensure a healthy and sustainable ecosystem of service providers..hell no. Can't we learn a thing from all this? Which is that centralisation just leads to the same endless cycle of capture and exploitation? XMPP and federated protocols stand to correct that, and now is the right time to shift the paradigm.