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[–] 62 points 8 months ago* (12 children)

I like xmpp, but it is not a discord alternative. It is a WhatsApp / Signal / iMessage alternative.

It doesn't have 80% of discord features, I use discord a lot and I don't have a single group chat.

Matrix / Element is a way better alternative feature wise.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    i quite liked element as a replacement for whatsapp and discord when i got a few people to switch. just had too much stability issues at the time and they went back. will never get them to switch again...even with ads and age verification crap going on.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    The main complaints about Matrix I've heard though are about behind the scenes stuff rather than features, which the video touches on:

    But there are some reasons why I think XMPP is superior. In Matrix, when you join a room, your server downloads and stores the entire history of that room. If someone on a federated server posts illegal content in a room you're in, your server is now hosting it, and you are liable. Whereas in XMPP, messages are relayed in real time. Group chat, MU history stays on your server hosting that room. So your server only stores messages for your users which means that no content caching there is no content caching from other servers. This is a fundamental architectural difference which makes the XMPP protocol better in my opinion.

    Personally I don't know that much about it but I briefly looked into what it would take to write a client for Matrix a few years ago and it seemed pretty daunting to work with. Maybe it would be possible to write software that implements more Discord features on top of XMPP to have something that works more smoothly.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    XMPP is just the protocol, you can create a client which looks like any proprietary alternative like Discord (fluux tries to have the same look for example)

    Movim is IMO the best alternative using XMPP and it's adding more and more features the last weeks stay tuned! see here

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    which features are missing from xmpp that are necessary for most gamer groups? is it the protocol that is missing the support, or specific implementations? genuinely asking since I'd been considering setting up an xmpp server for my gaming groups

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Do you use features like permissions, channels, threads, bots, ... a lot ?

    Application using xmpp as a backend are great and can be all you need if you just want a simple voice/text chat with no additional features.

    There is no equivalent to most "server/community" features of discord in the xmpp protocol, and it is something that needs to be implemented at that level for it to work.

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