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[–] 254 points 8 months ago* (24 children)

“It’s extremely hurtful, frankly,” said Nvidia chief executive Jensen Huang in a January interview about the “battle of [AI] narratives.”

Isn't admitting you are confused and hurt by why customers don't like a product tantamount to admitting complete incompetence as a CEO?

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  • [–] 121 points 8 months ago* (12 children)

    They regard themselves thought leaders. They are confused why their thoughts aren't being followed en masse.

    EDIT: just explaining their logic as I suspect it, not condoning anything here :)

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  • [–] 63 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    "Thought leaders" is one of the most ridiculous bullshit phrases to ever come out of the English language

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  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I work for a CEO who constantly uses this phrase.

    What sort of "thoughts" has he led with, you ask? Gamification, then blockchain, then crypto, then AI. That leadership feels an awful lot like trend-chasing to me... but I guess that's why I don't make the big bucks.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

    Thought leader can sound pompous. What's a better phrase for people who are authorities in their field?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Note that broadly people that have an affinity to "thought leader" are not "authorities in their field".

    The "thought leaders" are the people that take credit for making obvious wishlist statements and then saying it's all due to them should it happen. Like if I as some internet rando said "we should really cut down on CO2", and then somehow the world manages to reduce CO2 one year and I say "I was a thought leader and the reason why we reduced CO2".

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    They all think they are Steve Jobs, and while he certainly isn't anywhere close to the genius messiah they believe him to be and was also a giant asshole, he was also far more on the pulse of what people want and don't than any of these absolute fools.

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  • [–] 49 points 8 months ago

    No, this isn't an accident. It's a PR ploy, and done entirely on purpose. The idea is to push the people who aren't critical towards AI to their side. By being confused and not understanding why people are so mad at these innocent little men just doing their best to bring something good to humanity, they're humanising themselves. Most anyone can relate to fears of having their hard work rejected by others, and they're playing on that.

    I wish people would stop platforming this nonsense.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    You know, in my days when I learned economics I was taught to come up with a new plan if the business doesn't work and the customer does not buy/pay. Else I have failed.

    And not whine about things hurting...

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    They're fueled by hopium and shit out false dreams. Basically they're the Boiler Room or pinksheet Wolf of Wall Street, trying to trick as many investors as they can to swallow their shill.

    Although some may actually believe their own hype in a deeply egotistical way, like Jared Leto's character in the Blade Runner sequel.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You know what's extremely hurtful??

    Get something that does not work being forced down your throat.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Get something that does not work being forced down your throat.

    Honestly, it's not just that.

    Digital services have this terrible trend to get downgraded because some designer decides something like

    Well, having 10 buttons is too much, we should have only 4 buttons. We should also make the UI 5x more clumsy (although they'd call it 'beginner-friendly')

    Ai is very similar, except it's an exec throwing tantrums to slap AI onto something, which wastes company resources and makes the product either more or a lot more worse than before.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I hope they're fucking hurt.

    Fuck the people who peddle this shit in such an evil way. They want to replace us and pocket the profits.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think these people are capable of feeling pain.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Why the fuck should we care about their 'feelings' when their rapist mentality fucks up the world. Lie, steal, cheat for a solution in search of a problem so they can make money by making people lose money and become unemployed.

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  • [–] 189 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    "We are working on a technology that will accelerate climate change while hopefully making most of the population unemployed in a world where unemployment means you barely get the basic necessities of life, if even that! What? Why are you all booing?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    ...in a world where unemployment means you barely get the basic necessities of life...

    Ssshhhiiiiiiiiiiii, even with employment you can't pay for basic necessities. Shit's so fucked!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    More like "We are throwing cartloads of money at technology at the expense of actually meaningful improvements. Oh, and shedding jobs as well. Gotta make the lines go up. Oh, and we don't care at all for the environment, and this technology just so happens to be terrible af towards it. Oh, and don't expect getting a new ram stick in the next 2 years at the very least"

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  • [–] 99 points 8 months ago

    "We're only trying to make all of your jobs obsolete while paying politicians to not tax us, making all consumer electronics outrageously expensive or inaccessible, getting obscenely wealthy by stealing your works of art, making your power bill more expensive, consuming all of your water supply, and accelerating climate change. Why aren't you clapping?"

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  • [–] 98 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Jensen can suck my Huang for being such an idiotic shill of vaporware tech that is simultaneously undermining something like 30-40% of the fucking GDP at this point. Fuck you, dude. You’re actively accelerating us towards an economic depression that is going to fucking dwarf 2008.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    If I was in charge of coming up with ironic punishments, I would lock him in a data center with the cooling turned off. Let's see if he or his chips give out first.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago*

    The meatbag would fail first; the hardware would probably limp along and thermal throttle for a good stretch of time before fully cooking itself and getting bricked.

    That said, conducting the experiment would confirm these assertions, so it’s probably still worth doing.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    In June 2008 SP500 was 1361 points before it dropped to 700 points in February 2009 so 48%. Now SP500 is 6943 points if it drops by 48% that be 3610 points. It's only drop to state from October 2022. I don't think it would change much. We need to go deeper.

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    AI

    • Added zero actual value to humanity
    • Can do any task about 70% correctly about 70% of the time
    • Drove up electricity demands through the roof
    • Gave humanity the option to make childporn from their armchair
    • Is generating such hardware shortages that computer hardware prices have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and more to come!
    • Increased misinformation by factors of thousands, if not more
    • Broke CAPTCHAs for good, thanks for that
    • Caused wild random growth of super datacenters that pollute like crazy and take away all the groundwater everywhere
    • Steals all data from everyone everywhere with impunity
    • Highly confident in giving the wrong answer
    • Literally made ma y people lose their mind into AI psychosis
    • Do I still need to continue?

    AI tech bro's look at that list and ask: why do people not like AI?

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  • [+] -22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You could say the same about the Internet for nearly all those points.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Ok:

    • Added zero actual value to humanity: debatable for both. Both of them make information, right or wrong, more easily accessible to people, whether that's a net value to society is debatable. The me too movement would've been impossible without the Internet, but so would the MAGA movement.
    • Can do any task about 70% correctly about 70% of the time: I'll give you that one
    • Drove up electricity demands through the roof: check, happened slower then AI, but especially in the early days it was increasing demand, and the Internet in general is a cause for far more demand then AI
    • Gave humanity the option to make childporn from their armchair: can't make child porn, but made it exponentially more accessible and prevalent.
    • Is generating such hardware shortages that computer hardware prices have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and more to come!: I'll give you that one
    • Increased misinformation by factors of thousands, if not more: check
    • Broke CAPTCHAs for good, thanks for that: didn't break captchas but increased spam and made it harder to detect bots which made it necessary to make captcha
    • Caused wild random growth of super datacenters that pollute like crazy and take away all the groundwater everywhere: check, most data centers these days are still running traditional servers that hold up the Internet.
    • Steals all data from everyone everywhere with impunity: check
    • Highly confident in giving the wrong answer: check, it just used to be that a human would give you that wrong answer confidently. People didn't need AI to write thousands of articles and posts about vaccines causing autism.
    • Literally made ma y people lose their mind into AI psychosis: check, it's made large chunks of society delusional, and many people have lost there minds on it
    • Do I still need to continue?

    9/11, so most. LLMs are the Internet distilled, and thus they have the same problems, and benefits of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    General non-AI internet server generally stayed under 300 W and could frequently server thousands to tens of thousands concurennt active users. AI servers are now clocking in at 10kw and can generally server dozens of users. The internet datacenters were an couple orders less magnituted than what the AI people are doing.

    So too with the pollution angle. Even worse because the traditional datacenters pretty much lived within the grid and their super high demand causes them to roll out their own generators with less emissions controls.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Boom? If it were a boom, everyone would be prospering by it. It is a money and energy sucking wealth generator for the already very rich and nothing else. It doesn't even do anything reliably after stealing the world's cache of information to "train" it.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago

    We also hate the CEOs

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Artificial intelligence is a primary keystone for a science fiction civilization to move its labor from the people to machines, but they obviously ignored the other keystones such as equal rights, shared wealth and further opportunities to all humans. The wealthy want all the wealth and opportunities to themselves; cut the people out of the equation to gain more market and never have to pay the lower class citizens ever again. They clearly designated themselves no longer human. We the people think for ourselves and we the humans should easily abandon them. No longer serve them no matter how much they offer, no longer entertain them no how much they give, no more trust no matter how much they plead. They ignored us for so long and destroyed our world, why should we hear their pleas?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Key difference, what is called AI in science fiction isn’t the same as the AI we see today. These companies just adopted the term AI from science fiction as a marketing strategy. Not because it’s actually representative.

    Some people are now having to clarify AGI, rather than just AI, because the term has got so diluted.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah, we realistically call the general term “AI” as LLMs. It’s just another way for corporate giants to jump the gun on another dying ship to boost their own income and let everyone else die on the ship. Fuck LLMs, fuck corporate slop and fuck the 1%ers

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    If the line is "AGI is what is necessary for us to have robots to do labor", then we've had "AGI" since 1961.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_robots

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The "robot" arms that took over assembly lines are not really any different than the machines that started the industrial revolution. They are simply a refinement of that technology. A true takeover would require something that didn't need to be reprogrammed any time you needed to shift a bolt over a millimeter.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago

    Really illustrative of how out-of-touch people become when they reach a certain level of personal wealth.

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago (1 child)
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    They’ve definitely got a marketing problem at the very least. What is the value of AI to an individual that does not correlate to creating more value to their workplace? That needs to be the focus. While there are arguments for and against the value of AI in increasing productivity, at the end of the day, I don’t fundamentally care about my productivity level unless it creates some form of incentive for me. So I’m not being paid more but I MAY produce more. Yay??? What’s the sell here? Why as a standard human would I value this to the point that they value it? I see it negatively harming the things I like such as the internet, music, political discourse, books, and television. What’s the benefit that I personally see? Unless they can drill that value into the masses, they are going to have an image problem.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    Aww, did we hurt the poor CEOs fee fees again? 🥺

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago

    I remember a time when tech ceos actually used the internet. It seems that now they just get their MBAs, a job, and then spend all their free time avoiding technology and listening to other people tell them what they want to heat

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    CEOs are generally speaking… calculating. They just want this in the news. They want people talking. Who is interested in an IPO nobody is talking about? Nobody gave a damn about Oracle after they collapsed until their CEO started doing ridiculous shit just to be in headlines, like sparring with Red Hat, as an example.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    This product is going to take your job, bit to make it work we need to use all the electricity and water, making them more expensive. We also need to steal all the user data in the world. Why does nobody like it?

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The integration of AI into regular, deterministic software bothers me a lot. As a developer, I want my IDE to be consistent so I can feel comfortable that autocompletion and other functions do what I expect. But recently, and at an accelerating rate, I find the IDE to make inconsistent autocompletions - often suggesting a lot more code, which often contains errors and non-existant references.

    I could use AI every now and then for work, but I wish it only helped when I'm explicit about it. Currently, it kills workflow and sucks out energy both from me and the grid.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I’m reminded of flight school. To finally fly solo, it’s not enough for a student pilot to fly well and know the rules. My instructors make it clear - it’s the consistency that’s important. Getting into a rhythm and consistently executing maneuvers in the same way every time is key.

    It’s only a matter of time until someone attempts to shove AI into airplanes. If it can’t replicate the same results every time, that’s a massive problem.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Talking to AI is sort of like talking to a neurotypical person, in that they make up half of what they think I said.

    If you talk to AI and feel like you're going insane...that's what talking to you without understanding your facial expressions is like. Half of what people say has nothing to do with what I said, and you expect me to just fill in the blanks with your eyebrow movements or something.

    Edit: Non-autistic people communicate entirely through inference and body gestures. When I say one thing, non-autistic people think I'm secretly saying some other thing that they imagined. That's sort of how AI is, it will take a small comment and blow it our of proportion or infer meaning that isn't there. That's what talking to most of you is like.

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Perhaps if they didn't buy up all the RAM, HDDs , GPUs and making PC building / home computing so expensive, maybe we might consider liking it a bit.

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  • Don't forget that the Internet is currently ruined by AI-slop that is continuously flooding once interesting human-created content. This is probably my biggest gripe of AI. I've significantly reduced my screen-time, basically stopped coding in my free-time because of this sloppy mess that we call Internet right now...

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    "I can't believe how ungrateful they are that we found a more efficient way to kill them!" Paraphrasing here.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know man Tech CEOs keep talking about their latest shit will replace people's job jee makes me wonder why?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Even though AI is an ideal replacement for manual labour, if workers are out of a job thus broken, I can't see how this would be an advancement of the society. Products don't matter. Distribution of products does.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    I'll believe CEOs are actually confused or offended the day business articles start giving equal time to labor and capital voices

    The lies don't work as manipulation when purchasers and other dumb execs actually use the tools and see what their uses and limitations actually are vs what they are sold to be able to do. So they switch to how could you or it's not good now but next quarter fomo.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago

    They shoved AI everywhere without any concern over what the users want. Now the users are resentful, while the AI bros go Shocked Pikachu Face.

    I can’t help but wonder if the public reaction would’ve been more positive if we hadn’t been inundated by AI intrusions in seemingly every facet of technology. In a way, I can appreciate that the hatred is home-grown - the biggest issues I see revolve around the ethical issues stemming from AI’s lack of regulation, and ethical issues don’t tend to make the public react. The fact that people already found their own reasons to dislike AI means we’re all on the same page. If the public were fans, I’d just be dismissed as a bleeding-heart for giving a shit about right and wrong.

    But here we are, standing together in hatred. So beautiful.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Because we are not absolute morons incapable of independent thought like they are

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    It's the same with evangelists. They say society hates god, but what it really hates is assholes who won't leave them alone.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    They keep telling us how cool and fun it is. Why won't we believe them? They know what's best for us, and they're going to make us take it whether we want it or not.

    Not me, I've never touched the shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    The only AI feature I have found to be working well is the AI integrated into Jira.

    It does an excellent (but pointless) job of summarizing ticket communications.

    I say pointless because there is no reason to use it.

    However, it does understand Swedish slang and summarizes it properly.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone understands the Tech CEOs bonuses depend on AI replacing human employees. Or at least the ones with rights.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    The opinion of anyone confused as to why ‘AI’ is hated should be summarily ignored.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I always get psyched to read articles like this and too often they're just little stubs. I feel like the second this one gets going it just ends.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, I feel you.

    It makes me crave analysis like Cory Doctorow often does when covering this stuff on his blog. Fuck performing some misplaced notion of "neutral reporting" — the matter at hand is far from neutral, so let's be honest and call these abominable turd crumpets out for what they are

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I wonder why people don't want cloud based AI running their microwave

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They are mad at everyone at work for not using the AI tools more. I was told that we aren't seeing productivity gains because people aren't using the tools right but I think it's more that the tools don't live up to expectations so people don't care to use them. They are expecting all this work to be done faster and it's causing everyone to work more. Any productivity gains is from us working all hours of the day

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'm in a similar boat, my company isn't pushing it too hard but they are definitely on the AI train and I truly haven't found a great use for it yet. Everything it puts out still has to be double checked so it seems like if I'm doing the work anyways I might as well just do it right the first time.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I don’t particularly hate the snake oil, I hate the salesmen.

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    I’ll paraphrase something I saw a few weeks ago and now cannot find, sums up my feelings pretty well.

    The people I love hate AI, and the people I hate love AI. But the things that intrigued me about technology in the first place also intrigues me about this technology.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    But if we got rid of the salesman, just imagine how much snake oil we could drink! We could open ethical snake butchering farms, democratize where we dump the poisonous runoff, and send some of it to Africa - they're so unsnakeoiled over there.

    And surely only the current crop of salesmen are the bad guys, right? There couldn't possibly be a new villain waiting to pick up where Elon and Jensen left off.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean. There would be no salesman if the snake oil didn’t exist.

    Also snake oil refers to a fake product. Why would you “not hate” the fake product? At its foundation the sole purpose of the existence of snake oil is to be disingenuous and scam customers.

    Hate the game not the player.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I disagree. If not snake oil it would be something else. There are certain personality traits salesman seem to all have. I would describe it as a comfort with being disingenuous. Say or do anything to get money. Its often portrayed as "hustle culture" and praised. We should be condemning those traits not praising them.

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