Also? The "we're mad about pedophiles" conspiracy crowd don't get credit when they decided to put Absolute Biggest Sex Crime Guy in charge of their movement and stay onboard when he says "I'm not releasing the evidence".

There was conspiring, so it was a conspiracy.

It wasn't a conspiracy theory, because it was a confirmed conspiracy. But too many people don't know the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory.

The Miami Herald had published a lot of stories by the time Q came around. So all Q was was projection. Every accusation is a confession, there are no exceptions.

they were clearly going to try and just limit punishment to maxwell/epstein though

My mother in law guessed the sex of my baby, twice. She guess both girl and boy. Then when the baby pictures arrived, she was really smug: "See, I told you! I have a feeling about these things!".

That's when I knew to never listen to another word she says.

Also, some conspiracies are always going to be right, but the details matter.

"There's a cabal of rich people who run the world!" I mean, yes. Obviously. But, the method matters here.

"Rich people make blood sacrifices in cult meetings, then replace the president with an android and the prime minister with a clone" is not the same as "rich people buy up newspapers and throw lavish fundraising dinners."

As for the main conspiracy, IMO it's not credible that everybody in Epstein's circle was a pedophile. It's not even credible that everyone in his circle knew he was one. I'm sure you don't become a billionaire without already being the kind of person who has a problem with empathy. But, Epstein's circle wasn't just billionaires. It was also intellectuals, politicians, artists, etc. Even if 99% of them were either pedophiles or perfectly OK with pedophilia (which seems unlikely) that remaining 1% could ruin his life.

What's believable is that he had an enormous circle of rich and powerful people, and that a small subset of them were in an inner circle where the child rape happened. In that case, it isn't that every rich and powerful person is part of a pedophile ring. It's that rich and powerful people were meeting and conspiring, and also some of them were pedophiles.

Having said that, I'm perfectly happy if the popular story is that everybody who was buddies with Epstein is a pedophile and should be removed from society, if not removed from the realm of the living. Those people deserve that kind of punishment, but not because they're pedophiles. But, it's too exhausting to try to convince people that someone like Bill Gates deserves to have his life ruined, even if he isn't a pedophile.

I think pizzagate was a broken clock being right. Podestas email evidence was not compelling but the pushback against the theory was disproportionate.

It's worth reminding that the 4chan founder is in the Epstein files discussing the launch of conspiracy theories to manipulate the masses.

Right after the discussion, the 4chan "political" channel is created, filled with conspiracy theories, and will lead to QAnon.

The pizzagate was a most likely a planned diversion.

That footage came from a cloud connected camera; google's cloud.

There is no conspiracy there. If you use a Google device, they are storing all of that data even if they will not give you access to it without a court order.

The FBI is run my bumbling idiots. The delay is because they didn't know how to ask properly.

Jeffrey Epstein suggested that Moot add /pol/ to 4chan. /pol/ is literally where Qanon started. All of the “Wayfair is selling children” and “there is a video of Hillary Clinton killing a child for their ‘adenochrome’” conspiracies started there.

/pol/ is also where the “MAPS/minor attracted person” bullshit started, as an attempt to discredit LGBT people.

Follow the bread crumb trail on a lot of these assholes and they all run through the same set of alt-right media intent on radicalizing people into hating one another and eventually killing them.

Whether its the "Haitians ate my dog" hoax or the "Hamas is running Columbia's student unions" canard or the "Comet Ping Pong is a hide out for ritual child cannibalism", the goal is to turn people against one another and justify violence against them through the police.

The apex of the modern conspiracy theory is the lie about Evil Immigrants Sneaking Across The Border to Do Crime. And the consequence of believing it is a bipartisan government support for ICE kidnappings and concentration camps.

“Not all conspiracy theorists”

no true scotsman, sure. but the line in the sand was drawn to point out specific problematic theorists. the ones claiming that we are all plugged in the matrix can continue with out being talked about here

With the files related to 4chan you can assume that misdirection was calculated

You are lumping in every conspiracy theorist in with the Q people here.

i call this the Ur-Conspiracy

While we're at it, it's probably also worth mentioning that the Zionist entity's ties to pedophilia go way beyond just Epstein.

But then, what else would you expect from a fake country whose soldiers rioted for the right to rape their prisoners?

Also Epstein was Jewish.

Whiteness and being Jewish have a complicated relationship but for the last few decades at least, someone can be both.

They said people were harvesting adrenochrome like fucking vampires or something.

In the abridged interview with Maria Farmer, which I posted in this community yesterday, she speaks of massive Zionist elements in this. And she also says that none of the victims were Jewish, to her knowledge.

Sure, it's accusations, but I think quite important to keep in mind. Has anyone heard of any Jewish victims? And as you say, Epstein was Jewish, but he also had massive Israeli ties, as did/does Maxwell.

I could make a sourced list at some point to point to all the Zionist connections, but I think this is really well established already.

It's right to differentiate between half-truth conspiracy psyops and actual conspiracy, which has a legal definition too. But this poster oversimplified it to the point of another half-truth of mis-/disinformation.

Yes. Sadly. I feel genuinely bad for Jewish people. Zionist's are like the Taliban or West Borough Baptist Church. Same flavor of extremist.

yes, there's a heavy connection between the zionists that run israel. whose interest happen to align heavily with the christo-facists and general rich bastards of the USA (who largely just want israel to act as a destabilizer for the ME, so they don't unify into another great power).

the interesting bit is Israel really doesn't have that much loyalty to the USA, as evidenced by pretty nuch any presser they do in hebrew (because most of their US-based zionists/supporters only speak english).

He murdered a ton of innocent people.

He killed 3 people. The first was an innocent grad student. The second worked for a major corporation and was killed because he "helped Exxon clean up its public image after the Exxon Valdez incident [in 1989]." The third worked for the California Forestry Association and was not the intended target.

So he murdered 2 innocent people; I think it's arguable whether a person complicit in crimes against the environment and humanity can be framed as innocent.

He injured another 23 people, one of whom was in the Epstein emails. He wasn't actually a particularly lethal bomber, he just really scared people because no one really knew why they were being targeted, which made it feel like anyone could be the next target.

I wouldn't endorse his actions or even his targets, but it wasn't just that he said "some stuff that was kinda almost true". He targeted evil people in positions of power... sometimes. Usually he targeted people who were totally innocent, and worse, he knew that's what he was doing (in most cases).

I'm not sure, but his ethnic lineage isn't connected to why he's evil any more than European lineage is why wealthy white Americans are evil.

But, just like European heritage is perverted into white supremacy, he perverted his heritage (real or imagined, idk) into Jewish supremacy. This was demonstrated by the emails suggesting that the more Jewish someone is, the smarter they are, which is presumably why they had DNA tests on the island. (Which is also a bit odd because Zionists are generally very much anti-DNA testing. But maybe he was more into the basic supremacy aspect than the actual Zionist dogma.)

Conspiracy theories are generally very big, very serious accusations being made confidently without serious evidence.

The prevalence of conspiracy theories does indeed make it harder for people who want to stay grounded in reality to accept criticism of the powerful – this is one of the harms of conspiracy theories. It makes it harder for genuine serious criticism to be taken seriously – this is why the Putin regime allows conspiracy theorists, but persecutes serious regime critics.

Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying "Epstein didn't kill himself" or "Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation", is a conspiracy theorist.

Courts determine criminal liability withing the justice system. They do not determine truth itself. When properly designed and used, the legal system should trend towards truth, but actual truth is a separate thing entirely. The unifying aspect of conspiracy theorists is completely naive epistemology. You guys are actually doing epistemology but you just refuse to actually look at the thousands of years of work that's been done in the field across civilizations all over the world.

Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying "Epstein didn't kill himself" or "Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation", is a conspiracy theorist.

What? No just because something is not yet verified by court does not mean that you are a conspiracy theoriest for believing it. If there is sufficent evidence it is okay to believe in something. There is sufficent evidence Trump is involved in the whole thing. Epstein didn't kill himself is a bit more tricky because there are different theories, he got killed is not all impropable especially with how the whole thing was handled so for me it hardly qualifies as a conspiracy theory in the collequial sense. He fleed, there was a body double and he now lives carefree somewhere? Not impossible but currently not enough evidence so i would declare it a conspiracy theory.

It’s also making the mistake of treating “conspiracy theorists” as a monolith, which they’re not.

It pretty much was. The qanon nonsense functioned as an umbrella conspiracy theory, which pretty much coopted all other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.

Agreed this entire post is super inflammatory