• Full names
  • Addresses
  • Post codes
  • Dates of birth
  • National IDs
  • Phone numbers *Genders
  • Email addresses
  • Telco metadata
  • Breach status and social profile annotations

Good luck everyone.

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[–] 7 points 8 months ago

Don't worry I'm sure the government is working overtime to draft a new law requiring companies to collect even more personal info. They've got us covered

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    The fact this database even exists is pretty dubious from a data sovereignty point-of-view.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Sadly I see a lot of victims of scams / identity fraud in my work.

    My advice to people generally is:

    Be vigilant, don't click links in emails, don't talk to people who call you, have conversations with the people you care about reminding them to also be vigilant.

    For access to government services, set up the myId app for 2fa, don't use SMS.

    For other services, use a 2fa code generator, or SMS if that's all thats available.

    Use a password manager, but be wary that non-technical people might find this out of reach. Their browser's built in password management is better than nothing.

    Your State's department of transport probably lets you lock your profile so your drivers license number can't be used to verify your identity. Be aware that you'll need to unlock this when you want to allow someone to confirm your id.

    Similarly you can lock your credit rating at experian or equifax:

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Now I have to go and get a new gender

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So nearly half the population (assuming do duplicates)? Fuck me dead.

    Any idea how long until Have I Been Pwned is updated?

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It's not misleading. A database of personally identifiable information being exposed on the internet is a data leak. Personally identifiable information is legally required to be protected, while an exposed database on the internet is about as far from 'protected' as you can get.

    The article and title make no claim to active selling or known exploitation of the data, but to write this off as nothing would be a mistake. Are you sure that only the Cybernews team found it?

    The Cybernews team discovered the exposed MongoDB instance on November 11th, 2025 and immediately notified IDMerit. The company secured the database by November 12th.

    We don't know how long it was exposed for prior to it being discovered on the 11th - it might've been that day, it might've been a few months.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    If your house plumbing is leaking, its not a leak to you unless you see it? How do you know it hasn't been accessed?

    Thankfully we don't need to rely on your definition of a data leak: https://www.fortinet.com/resources/cyberglossary/data-leak

    A data leak happens when an internal party or source exposes sensitive data, usually unintentionally or by accident.

    This is sensitive data that's accidentally been exposed on the internet. That is a leak. You are misinformed on what a data leak is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    If your house plumbing is leaking there is water going out where it shouldn’t be.

    Yes. Correct. Personally Identifiable Information openly exposed on the internet is information going out where it shouldn't be.

    If your house is leaking, whether there's someone out there with a cup doesn't change whether your house is leaking or not. It only changes whether someone took your water ie. a breach

    Data leak and data breach have specific definitions:

    Data Leak vs Data Breach: What Is the Difference? While many use the terms "data leak" and "data breach" interchangeably, there is a difference between the two. A data leak often comes from within the organization either by accident or intent, while a data breach occurs when confidential or otherwise protected information is accessed, stolen, or used by outsiders without authorization. https://www.fortinet.com/resources/cyberglossary/data-leak

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/business/security-101/what-is-a-data-leak

    https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/your-privacy-rights/data-breaches/what-is-a-data-breach

    https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/data-leakage

    https://www.trendmicro.com/en/what-is/data-breach/data-leak.html

    This is a data leak. We don't know yet if it's a data breach. We might not know until active exploitation.

    Given the lack of control on this data, and that it wasn't fixed until the researchers told them about it, do you trust IDMerit to have the scrutiny on their logging to know if it was accessed externally? I don't.

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    [–] 53 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And it’s all part of ai training data now too.

    I used to wonder when I watched “Star Trek TNG” as a kid, how they could ask for and get such detailed biographical information of a long dead person, enough to recreate that person convincingly, in a holodeck. Well, I guess I have my answer.

    I really thought I’d be living in something like the federation one day, instead I’m here boning up on the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    instead I’m here boning up on the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

    I mean, Ferengistan is Europe and in wider sense the West in Farsi, so - pretty logical.

    (Which is why I don't subscribe to the theory that Ferengi are an antisemitic trope. They are a subversive futurist trope, "seeing ourselves through the eyes of others the same way we often see them".)

    Everyone likes to see themselves as the heroes of some universe.

    It's also true for some Soviet science fiction, like things by Strugatsky brothers communicate that deep painful wish for "us" to be that society of scientific workers and doctors, and the barbaric and lost people they visit and help to be "them", but that's not how the world is. Even the "approved" Ivan Yefremov with his "Bull's Hour" shows a space colony which is supposedly a remnant of the "capitalist and imperialist" world, yet surprisingly reminisces USSR, while that team of heroes from heaven that comes trying to fix them doesn't seem like anything from USSR.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    I think about this kind of simplistically.

    Firstly, answer to yourself is it practically possible to store and use vast amounts of data safely, without risk of being compromised?

    If you say no, then we shouldn’t be doing this. If you said yes:

    Since you think it is practically possible to do safely, the penalty for any company who fails to do this should be instant corporate death. Automatic nationalization and liquidation to compensate the victims. People who are found in court to be responsible should face severe consequences. Criminal negligence, multiple counts.

    That’s the only way I see to get all of these data hoarding fucks to take it seriously.

    /end pipe dream

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The EU GDPR doesn’t go nearly far enough.

    If I order online, my data only needs to be retained until I get my item. A electronic receipt can be sent via email.

    Social networks should have human moderation, and not insist on retaining real-world data about users.

    These things could be accomplished through regulation, and if enough countries (or US states) put those regulations in place it will eventually be more cost-effective for companies to implement the changes globally.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Tax records are required to be kept for 7 years in North America (generally, as far as I know - def in Canada). So you order something online from a business, they have a business need to keep your data on hand for 7 years in case an auditor / tax person comes asking about it. Be that someone auditing the business, or someone auditing a customer. That's a requirement from the government.

    I've seen customers ask for tax stuff going back up to 20 years from a business. In those cases, if there's demand for data going back that far for whatever reason, the business can internally say "We have a business reason to retain data longer" because people ask for it -- there's demand. So they can justify to auditors/legal sorts retaining that information indefinitely, based on user demands/requests.

    In some cases when I've seen those ancient requests, it's also tied to legal disputes from customers -- eg. Trying to prove in a divorce that such and such was bought by party A in 2005 for X amount. In some cases, there're class actions that go outside the 7 year window, and require data from further back to sort out -- for example there's a case in Canada currently where a financial lender is paying back ~$2000 per person that took a loan from them from 2016-2021 (so ~10 years of personal data needs to've been kept, to verify early claimants). Part of needing to keep data so long, is that the court cases are often so drawn out that the 7 year window would make some crime/wrong-doing much more difficult to prosecute due to a lack of evidence. I know of one class action lawsuit in the Financial Industry that's been ongoing since the 90s, and still isn't fully resolved -- most of the potential class action recipients are deceased at this point, and the only people profiting are lawyers, but still. Lawyers are a part of the problem, and a reason why data is often being held longer and longer. Honestly, Lawyers are also terrible at securing their data --they tend to rely on paper-controls to prevent their unsecured data from getting used, rather than actual hardening. Like there was a guy who spent a few years in Colombia or something, his personal laptop being used for all sorts of nefarious stuff, and when he came back to Canada and the border people took his laptop, it was totally unencrypted/unsecured. They guy just argued it was his "legal work" laptop and everything on it is confidential and can't be used in court.

    Idk. I think your approach is overly simplistic for the issue. There's a lot of "stuff" related to corporate data retention policies and methods, and I don't really see much nuance in what you're proposing. Hell, if they only kept your data till you got your item, youd NEVER be allowed to get a refund, cause they'd have no record of you purchasing the item.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Tax records don’t have to include the customer if it’s retail. If that was a requirement cash businesses would have massive problems, and the rule of keeping those records for seven years significantly predates our current model of credit for everything.

    Beyond that, if I go to a restaurant they don’t have my name and address or any other information. Businesses need to keep records like “we bought x from y for $z,” and “we sold x to a for $b.”

    And even further, the government could clarify that (if in some countries customer data was part of tax data) that the law was now to protect customer privacy and data.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    KYC is typically a due diligence process tied to regulated financial industry participants -- the restaurant example has a much different function. Banks and FIs have much broader retention (and disclosure) obligations.

    Here, let's put it slightly differently. I'll reference Canadian regulations/processes more, as those are the ones I'm most familiar with. If you're a bank, you're required to flag suspicious transactions related to the customer -- and in order to know when those transactions are suspicious, you need some way of reviewing it within the context of the customer. You may even have an obligation to second guess / question / try and advise the customer 'not' to make a transaction, based on knowing your customer.

    The most basic example of that, is where Credit Cards will decline payments / request a call if you try and make a purchase in a totally abnormal location -- like you "know your customer" lives in Toronto, but suddenly see them spending money in Mexico? Or if they called you before they took a trip to mexico, that'd also go into a KYC type file to let people know to expect those sorts of charges and let em get processed. That's tied to KYC.

    The media will often run stories about seniors getting scammed, with the general message being "WHY DIDNT BANKS DO MORE TO PROTECT?". Well, that's KYC too. You gotta 'know' your senior members, and their spending habits to some extent, to find those outliers. You also need to be familiar with them enough to know whether its "normal" for them to come by and take out cash, and in what quantities and for what purpose, cause seniors will sometimes 'show up' with a person pressuring them to take out cash to 'pay a bill' (scammms galore!). All part of KYC due diligence.

    Or the somewhat obvious elephant in the room -- if you have a "personal" account member, who keeps receiving etransfers to his "jeevacation@gmail.com" account for some reason, you gotta look into it a bit and sort out what all those payments are related to, cause it isn't a business account. And if you see anything suspicious, it gets reported to the authorities, where, most likely, Trump shits himself and Americans ignore the crimes.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Notably there have been almost zero data breaches of large banks, because their requirements for security are significantly higher than most other companies. My original comment was not about banks, they obviously need to retain a lot of customer data, and most of that is not exposed to the internet at all. I was talking about things like a pizza shop or an online retailer. There’s no need for Burger King or a webcomic artist I’m buying a print from to have a login or my email address for longer than it takes me to get my items.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    The penalty should be equivalent to the amount of people affected. At least $1000 per person fine is bare minimum. So, that's a fine of 1 trillion payable by the shareholders.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    Or we could collectivize, organize, arm ourselves, seize control of the means of production, and put leaders, politicians, billionaires and corporate executives on trial for their crimes to determine between re-education or execution.

    If we're going to dream.

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago

    60m records in Germany. That 3/4 of the population. The US has 350m inhabitants. 200m leaked records accounts for more than half!

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    Gotta love how the blog is nothing but "We're awesome, data leaks cannot happen with our architecture". Something about advertising too much is making up for lack of actual skill or something

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They should publish the names of the companies which datasets have been involved. NOW.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    the name of the company is known. it's IDMERIT: https://www.idmerit.com/

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, but the point is that they seem to have data for or on behalf of a load of different companies, probably in the telco department.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    If everyone is selling my personal information and I'm not getting my cut then I see a class action lawsuit in the not too distant future. Who's with me?

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    Why the hell would you use an AI tool for giant data sets of sensible data? Someone needs to go to jail and that company shouldn‘t exist any longer.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago

    Last week, we published our team's findings about an exposed Elasticsearch cluster that contained over 160 indices and held 8.7 billion primarily Chinese records, ranging from national citizen ID numbers to various business records.

    Last December, the team uncovered an unprotected database containing 4.3 billion records, some of which included LinkedIn-derived personal information. The 16TB-strong instance contained emails, photos, employment histories, and other personal data. A single collection alone contained 732 million records, including photographs.

    In July, Cybernews covered one of the largest data leaks in history, after researchers discovered several collections of login credentials, containing 16 billion records. The team found 30 exposed datasets, each containing tens of millions to more than 3.5 billion records.

    The leaked data included login info for just about every online service, including Apple, Facebook, Google, GitHub, Telegram, and even government platforms.

    Damn....

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    Why? Little corporations must comply with KYC law, too. They're all required to gather personal data.

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    Ok but how would that even work? When a company's product/service is good, then people start recommending it to others and more and more people start using it. The only way to stop companies from growing big is to force them to stop accepting customers after a certain point.

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    Then the big companies will just operate under multiple names to commit tax evasion like they already do and pay off the politicians to let them.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    So your reasoning is that it's not enforced now, so it'll never be enforced?

    Okay, no point in bothering then, huh?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I'm saying that the big corporations have such a strong foothold that I personally don't think we will ever be able to properly regulate them when they can pay off all of the politicians. I'm not trying to be a doomer, those are just my beliefs.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This happens every now and then, new or old data, several accounts, sometimes billions. Far too frequently.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The Cybernews research team discovered an exposed MongoDB database containing nearly 1 terabyte of personally identifiable information (PII) exposing approximately a billion sensitive records across 26 countries.

    Welp. I guess, time to change passwords.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Is this why my phone was suddenly enrolled in half a dozen text notification services at the same time last week? Or was that a different massive-scale data leak? It's hard to keep track at this point.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    At some point so much data will have been leak that there will be no new data to leak, right?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    “At this scale, downstream risks include account takeovers, targeted phishing, credit fraud, SIM swaps, and long-tail privacy harms. Industry-wide, the case underlines how third-party identity vendors have become critical infrastructure and can become single points of catastrophic failure,” our team explained."

    Wouldn't Username + Password + SIM = 2FA password reset?

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  • [–] 89 points 8 months ago* (13 children)

    The core purpose of KYC - to make it harder to launder money, and for the ultra rich to hide away their ill gotten gains - is not evil, far from it.

    The fact the very same people which benefit from a perception that KYC is evil and/or ineffective, are the same people making the decisions to penny pinch on security which directly lead to data breaches, is obviously a complete coincidence!

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  • [–] [S] 51 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    KYC does nothing against rich people. Panama Papers came out and nothing happened. Law enforcement does not target rich people.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yep. KYC is to stop the movement of funds that could be used to undermine the system. A.k.a terrorism.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Terrorism as defined by whom? Because those protesting Israel are soon terrorists. Animal rights defenders. Environmental protesters especially opposing oil pipelines and the like, climate protesters, people protesting the police, etc.

    This is going to get really bad, the mask is off, they aren't pretending to operate government according to the rules, or to be believable. The terrorists they will be targeting are those protesting the plutocracy ass fucking people without their consent.

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Bruh, the ultra rich have operated state sanctioned child rape islands for several decades. Do you really think KYC has any impact on their crimes?

    If so, I have a bridge you might be interested in acquiring...

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    those crimes in specific? no.

    in how they carried out specific other crimes? yeah, it changed methodology at very least. it sounds like you don't understand KYC. it was not targeted at sex trafficking. it's aimed at financial crimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I was not equating those crimes. I was highlighting the fact that we live in multi-tiered legal and justice systems that are proportional to wealth.

    HSBC enabled fraud for organized crime in the hundreds of billions, and they didn't face even remotely equivalent consequences. Was anyone even criminally prosecuted?

    How about the people only accept measures that impose great risk to the privacy of the working class once corporate and political criminals face the same level of "justice" and consequences as the working class? Why should consumers accept paper straws while corporations are free to increase plastic waste exponentially?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There's also an execution problem.

    Truly knowing your customer might produce very different outcomes than the current compliance checkbox approach.

    "I know Fred just sold his old car. The idea he suddenly has $12k in cash is not suspicious" or "Jane's been talking about going to Montreal for momths. We should not block her card when it lights up there.". That's real KYC, but it requires human connection and human judgement, which doesn't scale and doesn't provide the right paperwork for demonstrating compliance with arbitrary mandates.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    I agree that KYC isn't inherently evil. But the way its been weaponized is.

    For instance in the telecommunications space it make total sense for mitigating spam SMS messages and Robocalls. But the carriers all sell your data for profit. They also don't protect your data properly and are breached all the time. That's malicious.

    So no, I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater and agree its an oversimplification to simply call KYC evil. But I also don't blame people when all they see is abuse and never a good and proper implementation that isn't exploitative.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    KYC isn't evil. It's literally the operational piece that says stuff like "If someone named Vladimir Putin tries to open a bank account with you, you should know if he's THAT putin or not, especially as it may get your business in serious trouble related to gov sanctions etc". The government, quite literally, sends auditors to Banks and Credit Unions every 2-3 years to make sure you do this sort of due diligence.

    The issue with KYC is that it's farmed out to third parties that focus on scale and cutting costs. It's in the same general space as something like Credit Scores -- Banks/Credit Unions don't maintain their own credit scores for people so much, as they just buy that score information from Equifax / Transunion etc.

    Really, what I imagine people should be pushing for instead of this piecemeal whining, is something closer to what Estonia has for its citizens. A highly integrated government-based portal that allows citizens to do things like Register a New Small business in 15 minutes, and to see which organisations have access to their gov ID info. From what I understand, citizens basically get given PINs as part of their gov IDs, which they can disclose to banks/businesses, who can subsequently access basic required read-only details about that person via the gov portal. So your bank needs to know who you are? No problem, you let them know your pin when you setup the account -- and the banks system is then able to pull just the basic info from your gov account to meet the banks operational needs / regulatory obligations whether you're there in person or not. And as a citizen, if you want to check your privacy disclosures to third parties, you just log in to the gov site, and see a list of which businesses have access to your data -- and I imagine you'd get the option to cancel their access if you wanted to (so when you close an account at a business, you pop in to the gov site and also clip their ongoing access). From what I gather, that sites a one stop shop for all gov stuff, so it's also where you go for tax stuff, drivers lics, the works. Makes it a LOT simpler for citizens, as you don't need to sort out what esoteric stupid sub site / domain you need to visit to see if you qualify for a rebate or whatever -- so it seems like a big improvement from a user experience side.

    ALL THAT SAID, that shift would put more onus on the consumer in some ways, as they'd need to log in to a gov site etc -- like it's bad enough trying to explain MFA to old people, imagine trying to make this shift! You'd also need a government that was willing to actually do stuff for the people -- I think Estonia only went that way, as an attempt to shield themselves from massive attacks from Russia. They want their gov fully functioning in the cloud, including elections etc, so that even if they end up like Ukraine, they can still "function" remotely. Consumers are a big issue for anything security related too, as practically no one changes banks / FIs based on security -- it's almost entirely rate oriented for mortgage holders. Tell a consumer they can get a 0.2% better rate by going with the bank that doesn't fuss security, they'll take it. Try and market your bank/FI as being more security conscious, it won't generally draw in new members based on that alone.

    Like, again using Canada as an example, we've had a year of the US antagonizing us and threatening economic ruin / annexation. Lots of Canadians are keen not to buy American products as a result. Almost all of Canadas banks/CUs use US partners/outsourcing within their stack: places like Vancity Credit Union, for example, are using Intellect Design's product for their online banking, which is a partner owned by an India parent company (with little/no presence in Canada), which hosts its stuff on Microsoft's cloud. Most Credit Unions in the country are likely going to go the same way in the next couple years -- even though it's a huge security risk, and highly likely that both India and the USA will gain access to all your data, let alone sketchy third party's like India's fraud centers. There are a couple Credit Unions in Canada that actually maintain stuff (almost entirely) in Canada. But that's not enough to entice people to use those organisations, so they're all dying out / merging as a result of a lack of members (and regulatory overreach / decrees).

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Anyway to check if my data has been leaked or should everyone just assume yes?

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    [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This one is a mixed bag. KYC regulations are very useful in detecting and prosecuting money laundering and crimes like human trafficking. But ya, if this data needs to be kept, the regulations around secure storage need to be just as tight. This sort of thing should be required to be kept to cybersecurity standards like CMMC Level 3, audited by outside auditors and violations treated as company and executive disqualifying events (you ran a company so poorly you failed to secure data, you're not allowed to run such a company for the next 10 years). The sort of negligence of leaving a database exposed to the web should already result in business crippling fines (think GDPR style fines listed in percentages of global annual revenue). A database which is exposed to the web and has default credentials or no access control at all should result in c-level exec seeing the inside of a jail cell. There is zero excuse for that happening in a company tasked with protecting data. And I refuse to believe it's the result of whatever scape-goat techs they try to pin this on. This sort of failure always comes from the top. It's caused by executives who want everything done fast and cheap and don't care about it being done right.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm uninformed about this, but do KYC laws come into effect at some profit point or are they globally enforced. I don't see how any small businesses could possibly afford a 3rd party audit, or how that would even scale. I agree it's necessary, but logistically it seems problematic.

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    Ah, makes sense it would be targeted twards banking and financial businesses specifically. Better pinch point than some random commerce. In that case audits would be less problematic, though I'm not sure why outsourcing this data is even an option with the current rules. It's not like a business can be completely hands off in the acquisition or processing of that info.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    This is genuinely grim

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    In a catastrophic security failure, an AI-powered tool used by IDMerit, a global leader in digital identity verification, has exposed a staggering one billion personal records

    Didn't it happened already that AI seriously compromised a production database? Will people ever learn?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The Post Title Says "12M Aussies personal data leaked - and 1 Billion worldwide".

    That's not really sensational, it's two facts included in the article. Sensational would be "12m Aussies hacked" or something, implying something entirely different.

    There's no assertion from the article or the title that KYC shouldn't happen - you seem to be imagining that.

    However, if a service uses a third party to collect and store KYC data then that third party needs to take reasonable steps to safe guard that data.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Criminals and scammers are going to have a great day with the personal info of the 1 billion people now.

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    If you gather all ropes, crowbars and knives then don't stop the criminal from getting access then it's the gov't fault. It's better if they just leave all those private knives alone and not gather it to one spot.

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