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[–] 269 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Damn never thought the gaming PC I built two years ago would actually be APPRECIATING in value over time.

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  • [+] 69 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I have 128 GB of ddr5 memory in my machine. I paid 1400 for my 7900xtx which I thought was crazy and now half my ram is worth that.

    Never thought I would see the day where the graphics card was not the most expensive component.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe you should have bought 256 GB

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I should not have even gotten the 128.

    I can use it but barely at 4600 because ryzen chips can't handle 4 dimms of 32gvb.

    I honestly didn't even bother to check at the time of purchase and it is is still a roll of the dice if I restart.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Just about all electronics older than a year or so have. Even a Switch, which came out 9 years ago, costs more to buy now than it did then!

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wait what? I still remembered it as a recent console...

    I feel like my brain is stuck. When I think of most powerful GPU, my brain's muscle memory replies with 1080 Ti.

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    [–] 118 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Apple over here not raising their RAM prices because they’ve always been massively and unjustifiably inflated. Now, they’re no longer unjustifiably inflated.

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Me to my 10 year old gaming pc: "I guess it'll be another couple of years, buddy."

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    They aren't really making a ton of games that justify a costly upgrade anyways.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Honestly, my PC at this point plays FFXIV and that's basically it. And I'm OK with that.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Can't wait for yhem to push forced end of life on all computers

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Microsoft tried that with TPM. Which you can bypass for the most part with Rufus and a clean install. Still some kernel anticheat games you can't do so so easily.

    I've already switched over to Linux, just got one more system to migrate. So far 100% worth it to not deal with Microslop.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I agree. I recently swapped out my aging 2600x6core for a 5950x32core processor and upgraded from an 3070ti to a 5070 (well actually more of a sidegrade - my vram was simply too small). before this, my system had already a few years where there wasn't much difference regarding gaming - In the current configuration and the glacial speed gaming developed i'd say i have a decade before upgrades are really needed.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Right? My APU can run almost all games up to 2020 in 3k. Not high-fps but i'm not sensible to that.

    Except a few, like Valheim and Empyrion, which have 1 fps on the menu.
    Do they require some special instruction sets or something, that a APU can't handle?

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Increasing RAM (from 16) and SSD space (from .5TB) on a laptop now is easily +$1k and up.

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  • [–] 46 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    When the yet-to-be data centers never get built because AI slop bubble pops, we will be able to build houses out of RAM sticks for the poor 

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    the problem with data center hardware is that they are often bespoke and nowadays can't be reused in a consumer context. Think about those headless GPUs, they probably making these RAM modules with a different interface.

    They will just be e-waste instead of having the possibility of being surplus.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Apple was overpricing RAM before it was cool.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    nice profile pic! Snatcher was a gg

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks! I was blown away by the quality of voice work in a game back then. Combined with the story, it was a real treat.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    I only watched a playthrough to be honest, because the game wasn't available for my pc and the gameplay seemed kinda outdated, but fuck yeah! The story and voice work really rocked! I loved it as well. Don't get me started on OST. Quite the movie material in my opinion.

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  • [–] 93 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This article sucks... I think they felt the need to excuse AI lest they upset corporate masters

    While it’s easy to point the finger at AI’s unquenchable memory thirst for the current crisis, it’s not the only reason.

    Followed by:

    DRAM production hasn’t kept up with demand. Older memory types are being phased out, newer ones are steered toward higher margin customers, and consumer RAM is left exposed whenever supply tightens.

    Production has not kept up with demand... demand being super charged by AI purchases

    ...newer ones are steered towards higher margin customers... again AI

    consumer RAM is left exposed whenever supply tightens... because of AI

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    TBF that is a crucial ram stick in the picture, those are rare shinies now

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Not at microcenter. Their bundles are full of crucial chips. Just built one for a buddy last week.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I more meant now they're not being made because Micron recently killed the Crucial brand to focus supply towards data center customers

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’m well aware, but everybody knows the HBM demand will dry up eventually and that eventually the consumer market will be worth trying to profit from again.

    They just want to manipulate the consumer market to maximize margins. If they can get memory prices to stay at 200-300% for a while, they can up the prices they charge and raise margins to stratospheric heights not before seen on the consumer market. All manufacturers jump on stuff like this when they can get away with it.

    Memory manufacturers still order from micron directly for their own branded chips. Those margins will increase for all parties. Ai data center demand is like Christmas for the entire industry. No pricing is transparent and every vendor is profiteering.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Built my new PC in late 2023... so glad I put 96 GB of RAM into it, despite several people asking me why the fuck I need so much RAM...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    I mean I have 16 and 8 in graphics card, I have never used more than half my RAM gaming, maybe you don't NEED that much RAM.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Oh, there can be all kinds of uses.

    For example, I own an LTO tape drive. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the IBM drivers to compile on my particular flavor of Linux, but I do have a dual boot system.

    Now, Windows is a shitty, shitty OS that I only boot up when I really need to. It interferes with all kinds of stuff in ways I hate, for example - copying files. It just refuses to read large files in a continuous, reliable data stream without any interruptions from my SSD when backing them up to tape. This causes the LTO drive to slow down, speed up, rewind, which is not a good thing because it causes additional wear on the tape.

    Fix: Create a large RAM drive, copy files to RAM drive, run backup with RAM drive as source.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just throw that in a omv server, idk what drive you have but it should be supported, do whatever works for you though

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    IBM stopped their support for LTFS, unfortunately. Which I kinda want to use despite all the drawbacks. And well, the RAM disk workaround does the trick, so there's not enough pain to compel me into investing more time into the issue.

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  • [+] 22 points 8 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm kicking myself so hard right now. I went in and upgraded my PC when word of tarrifs were coming back in 2024 but decided to chill on ram because the prices were still low and I felt I had enough. I have 16gb of DDR5 and my rig feels like it's chugging with newer software.

    I should've bit the bullet and future proofed with a 64gb set up. My ass decided to buy a house instead 😮‍💨

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Dude 2 years ago I built my first PC in a minute and last year built one for wifey (was running a rx580, ddr3 ram and fx6300 that I was milking as long as I could, built my rig and wife used that one till she had me build a better one on ddr4 ram ryzen 5 and pcie 4.0 mobo etc) and didn't think it was a great time to build because of prices being all over but now I'm just glad I didn't wait any longer!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I upgraded from an fx6300 to a Ryzen R5 1600 when they launched, and that was mind blowing. I can’t imagine what going from an fx6300 to an R5 in 2025 would feel like. That processor has been released 13 years before you upgrade, that’s impressive.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yea I try to run my equipment as damn long as I can lol. Before the fx I was ripping a x6 phenom lmfao. Insane how every upgrade I have made has over doubled computing power and memory+ storage +pcie bandwidth. And to think our rigs are technically a gen behind given ddr5 and pcie 5 are out. Moving to nvme storage was the biggest boost I think I experienced. Sata ssd was sick when it came out but going from sata ssd to nvme was like going from a HDD to a sata ssd all over again lol. Looking back it is honestly incredible how many leaps and bounds in computing power we have experienced.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    We're in the late stages of the AI bubble.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    To be clear, that doesn't mean AI is going away. It just means no one is actually going to pay for AI models anymore because open-weight free models will be extremely cheap and powerful.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    How is anyone going to run those powerful models locally once the necessary hardware is unaffordable/unobtainable?

    No one is paying for AI because no one wants it to begin with.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    In this scenario, you have a number of these AI companies contributing to the hoarding having their equipment handled through 'asset recovery', which means that at least companies that can drive 15kw to a system and water cooling will probably get them on the cheap and run it on their premise, or in a colo. Maybe some of those parts will trickle down, but admittedly a good chunk of the stuff is hard to accommodate in a residential setting.

    Longer term, the hardware becomes obtainable as supply chains re-calibrate back to identcal or more close solutions. Ten years ago, a datacenter GPU was likely to be same hardware as consumer, but with a different thermal solution, firmware, and the video ports unpopulated. The AI rush has made them shift to exotic packaging so they can have absurdly unreasonable wattage in small places that doesn't work in home settings. I anticipate a swing back that way eventually.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I really hope so but I can't help but to think that they are going to drag it for as long as possible, because no matter how bad the situation is for the common folk, they are still going to make a profit off of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah. The current job market shows a different trend.

    With people saying "people using AI will replace people not using AI".
    And the reason for that is not because people using AI will produce better work, but because AI usage will be preferred over usable output.

    And because the flow of money is such that all those having money can easily choose to give most of it to AI users^[with the only exception being base material products like agricultural produce, which has a much lower margin and their costs again go to AI users] while non-AI users don't have the same ability once most providers turn to AI use.

    Now as long as you get the Governments on board (they are already buying up GPUs too) you can get all taxes into AI use, hence starving the non-AI market of ability to procure computing hardware (or anything else to work on) and that is how you get AI supremacy without providing anything better.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    All of that is speculation, none of it true. I'm an AI user, where's my money?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I’m an AI user, where’s my money?

    While I was actually looking for someone to break my model with a better one with better info, this is a pretty useless argument.

    To get money, you need to:

    1. make some half-baked product with chutzpah
    2. Use charisma to get others to vibe with it on a social media platform
      • this is easy if you know how to do the social acting that "normies" do
    3. Appeal to the ones in power, while convincing them that you used AI to make it, will be using more AI and will do some subscription stuff
    4. Find a way to inherit Venture Capital.
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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Note that the mantra doesn't say the market can stay irrational, it's just a warning that if you are predicting when irrational failure will produce the expected results, you can be in for a bad time. So if someone is thinking about shorting a bunch of the heaviest bubble stocks and expecting to win, well, they can get screwed as the bubble sustains long enough to screw them and then pop.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Ruining the PC market for consumers on purpose so people will think it's cheaper to rent computers than to own.

    In the future, you will lease your computer and not own it, just as you are told to do by the billionaires who steal your pay.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    32GB of DDR4 3200Mhz cost me $115 in October, now the listing is out of stock and says $392. 240% increase.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The 64gb memory i bought in june are up 400%

    Still cheaper than my macbook air though

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    My RAM kit is worth more than my GPU 🥲

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Just check, GPUs are also skyrocketing.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My standard cycle for building is 5 years, and i just built (probably overspecced) with a 9800x3d and a 9070 XT. I'm sitting pretty for a while IMO.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Same CPU, but 3070 RTX and 64 gigs of ram and 4TB 990 pro mvme. Looking back, I bought at the very beginning of the hike, and all because a very good RAM discount.

    Might change the GPU for something more Linux friendly if prices go down or second hand, but my idea is to have 5-10 years honestly.

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