+5 Yes, Puerto Rico is widely considered a colony—or often described as the world's oldest colony—due to its status as an unincorporated U.S. territory. While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,

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[+] 127 points 8 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I vaguely heard about a bunny something in US, but i pictured this bunny in my head

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn’t know he existed till last week.

    At least I'm not alone. I just figured it was me being an old fart and not up with what the kids are into.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago* (21 children)

    Quick correction. Puerto Rico, not Puerto Ricans, is politically limited. Any American citizen that chooses to reside in Puerto Rico loses their right to vote (looking at you Paul brothers). Any Puerto Rican that choses to reside in any of the 50 states has the same right to vote as anyone else.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    It's confusing now because it has been corrected.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ah! That's what I originally figured but then we got into a whole thread like there was a discrepency and I was so lost haha

    Weird that the little edit icon isn't up there

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    ...Right. That's correct. Residents are US citizens and lack voting representation in congress and cannot vote for president. I feel like I must be missing something.

    Also this is the case for US Citizens residing in Guam and Samoa

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The correction is that the restriction is under the territory, not on the citizens. If they migrate to a state they can vote for president. If a citizen from a state moves to the territory the can't vote for the president

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)
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    At least DC gets 3 electors in presidential elections

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    Well sure, but it’s not like the residents get half a say without a vote so they’re just kind of there.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    there is a vote for those electors. turnout is generally low because ~70% of the vote goes to a specific party and what's on the ballot is only how to allocate a small portion of electors in the electoral college. most DC residents feel its pretty token and prefer to spend election day not stressing about something that's out of their hands. when they do turn out the vote, it's an act of "hey. we're still here, goddammit."

    also this is all making miss my old hometown 🤣. DC is such a great city if your political interests are more towards community involvement than towards voting

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    I like this. Always loved it there and the people are some of the best I’ve ever met.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    to me the embodiment of DC's spirit is all the street musicians at a Nats game

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Nothing better honestly. I love the Nats and I’ll skip out on the game for street performances honestly.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    I’m Native American and some whites don’t think I’m American.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Native also, I 100% got profiled by a white cop in a small town I went fishing in last fall. Got pulled over and he was surprised I wasn't Mexican, fuck him. 

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Fuck da whites! We are in this together brother! Stand up and fight any ally is widely accepted.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Dude I worry about this so much. I'm not only native but I work in the construction industry and hauling all my ladders around in my tools around on my truck I'm so waiting for ice to roll up on my ass I'm going to have to get enough fight with them.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Same bro I work in the mining industry and so many people here are so happy about the ice raids even older natives are excited about it. What is really concerning is that puppy killer Kristie said last year before the 4th of July that natives should lose their status and there tribes.

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  • [+] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I’m as white as they come, moved to AZ for a bit and was ASTOUNDED by the number of people who think New Mexico is on the other side of the border or that every brown tinted person is clearly Mexican, despite like half of th state being Res territory. Now I’m in UT where the Utes are mostly a sports mascot

    The fact that Reservations exist at all is a slap in the face, maybe this time instead of the Canadians yall burn down the White House, just sayin

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Where you getting that 73% from?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    I’m sure the number is ridiculously high, but it’s always funny to me when memes just throw a random percentage out there with no sources. This is done to make stupid people think this is a professional, real statistic.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

    the orange pedo clearly did not know Puerto Rico was a US territory during his first term… he also did not know it was an island

    and this level of brilliance was rewarded with a second term by muricans… so yes, I tend to believe every stat that claims they are mostly ignorants

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    American here, if I could read I would be SO mad about what you wrote

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    thank you for your good humour.. I know I am generalizing which is usually not a good thing, but the frustration mounting over the last few years is really getting me now

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Believe me, you are not alone in that frustration. Living here is like watching your stove catch on fire and the one creepy uncle who no one talks to aside from major holidays is actively trying to block you from the extinguisher in the cabinet…while the rest of your relatives just sort of look away. Infuriated is a polite way of saying what I feel these days

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    ~30% of voters will vote (R) regardless of who. A smaller share will vote (D) regardless of who. The rest have to be convinced to vote for you instead of the other guy, and the largest group by far have to be convinced to get off their asses and vote at all.

    Trump won a second term not because he had a massive upswing in popularity, but because Harris did the opposite of convincing people to actually vote and to do so for her. Apathy favors GOP, high turnout favors Dems.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Agreeing with your more detail breakdown, I cannot see how it contradicts what I posted before (which I think it's your intention here).

    At the end of the day, the USA thought it best to eat battery acid (trump) or starve to death (not vote) rather than eating the cold hamburger that was available (Harris)

    We can argue a lot about the flaws of a 2 party system and, most importantly IMO, how deeply corrupt the USA's version of "deMoCRacY" is... but at the end of the day, Americans decided to figuratively kill themselves and bring down the world with them, mostly out of fucking ignorance

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Wow, guys. I'm Mexican and not a fan of Bad Bunny at all, but you seem really out of the loop with this guy.

    He is a Puerto Rican, and in that sense he is an American citizen, but Bad Bunny is a sovereignist that would very much prefer to be free from the USA. The song Ricky Martin sang during the SB halftime show is just beautiful (listen to the Tiny desk version!). The name of the song is "Lo que le pasó a Hawaii" (What happened to Hawaii) and the lyrics talk about a strong, deep feeling of belonging to the Puerto Rico island. He talks a lot about the simple life in there and some of their traditions. In the end, the song calls Puerto Ricans to hold their flag and don't allow "them" to do to Puerto Rico what happened to Hawaii.

    I was in awe to listen to at least some of these lines in the middle of the Super Bowl. Honestly, don't even try to ask me about the rest of the show.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    PR would be better off as a state, something they rejected doing at least 2x in referendums. There is zero chance the us lets them be independant, as a state they would be treated better. Although with the whole fascist one party state fixing elections thing it could be s moot point.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    But not lately. They've been voting for becoming a state since Obama iirc, and they've been systematically ignored by Democrat and Republican administrations.

    I must add, independence movements are rarely allowed by the oppressor. So, they shouldn't be bothered about what the USA will "let" them do, if they were inclined for independence, which, I repeat, is not the case with PR.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Have they had a vote endorsing being a state? That's news to me, I remember a vote losing, don't remember one since. Yeah I mean PR could fight a guerrilla war to become independent if they didn't want to concern themselves with what the US will let them do. They are stuck with the US, as we are.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    PR should get to decide if they want to join this clusterfuck or not. The bare minimum the US should do is allow PR to join if they want to, and guarantee military support if PR asks for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    "Should" is neither here nor there.

    1. they will not let puerto rico be independent.
    2. PR would get treated better as a State
    3. The republicans will not admit PR as a State right now, unless they could be sure their people would be elected there.

    I don't know what you mean by military support. Are you saying if they are allowed to go independent? They won't, there is zero chance they will be independent.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why is it a problem if he sings about that? Being a Puerto Rican is something to be proud of and it’s appropriate if he has opinions on what future they should seek.

    I personally think they’d be better off as a state and would welcome them, but it starts with people there deciding what they want to do

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I didn't say it was a problem, on the contrary, I found it admirable.

    They, contrary to all my hopes, want so bad to be a USA state, but it's looking like they are too brown to be "Americans" or they are far from being a priority for the government. The Trump administration seems fixated with the idea of a 51st state in the north. But, hey, at least they are not being economically blocked since the 1960s.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Canada will give them a home. Lord knows we need a friendly southern escape.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    That would be an incredible change for the island. Right now their economy is kneecapped by byzantine US shipping laws. The jones act gives american shippers complete control over goods going to and from the island, driving up prices.

    Falling under the care of a sanier nation, one who will help them rollout a reliable solar grid instead of dismantiling it, would do wonders.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I'll do you one better: I didn't even know who Bad Bunny was prior to this news cycle. Not my genre of music.

    But I do remember the last time Puerto Rico was hit by a hurricane, and Trump didn't do shit to help. Because he's a vile piece of shit that would rather fuck kids, his daughter, and this country rather than help anyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    At the time I thought that was a good reason why they would be better off if they chose to pursue statehood. We do much better with emergency response to states and we invest more in states for infrastructure and stuff. At least economically it would seem a strong positive.

    But then Trump happened and somehow our representatives are allowing him to restrict emergency response by personal spite and and self-enrichment, so I just don’t know anymore

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    I have almost no idea who that Bad Bunny person is but I do know that fascists/republicans hate him so he must be pretty cool.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Made up statistic aside, why is not knowing the nationality of a celebrity... bad? I don't even know his real name, this seems like a stretch to make it into american chauvinism rather than people just not knowing about a celebrity. Is that the joke?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    It’s relevant here because of the backlash from maga morons when it was announced a guy with brown skin would be doing the half time show. There was a lot of nationalist rhetoric bouncing around, being used to justify their racism.

    It was all bs as their arguments were being levelled at an American citizen as he is Puerto Rican.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    So it's kinda No Taxation Without Representation situation? Or does that only apply to white people?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean DC has plenty of white people but they're in a similar situation. Although at least they get to vote for president.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Still worth considering that DC is called "Chocolate City" for a reason. It's a majority minory city. I've encountered at least a few political scientists who firmly believe that the biggest barrier for DC gaining statehood is that historically the American imperial project will support social goods until they're extended to Black people (with the New Deal being the commonly referenced example of this, as well as why building a gentler form of capitalism through social democratic reform should be viewed as good, but not as enough)

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    71% of Americans have no idea that Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

    Included in that 29% are all the people who are Puerto Ricans

    I made these numbers up, but they're likely not that far off.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, so why is that part of mexico american, I am confused? /s

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Tomi Lahren: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPW89KfDIKN/

    In a proper world, this would discredit her from being a pundit.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So bad bunny isn't a chick? Feeling out of the loop

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