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[–] 259 points 9 months ago (19 children)

This is a weird generation of consoles. If you're an early adopter, you probably saved money. That sorta thing never happens.

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  • [–] 130 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    The old ways are gone, possibly never to return in our lifetime. My PS5, Steam Deck, and mid-range 2021 PC will have to do for the foreseeable future.

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  • [–] 124 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    All so Sam fucking Altman can cut off supply to his competition, just trying to get even more wealthy... Scumbag...

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  • [–] 101 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    This kind of shit used to be illegal, you know, back when America was "great." Are we great again President Krasnov?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Remember when America was great and didn't need to be "great again"? Pepperidge farms remembers...

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Ummm...no.

    Better than this? Yeah!

    But, fuck man, the term banana republic only exists because of us.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I dunno I remember a time when Japan decided to fuck with America's boats and then they decided this whole World War 2 thing was getting pretty out of hand and decided to make it stop. They maybe went a little bit too far, but that was still generally pretty great of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Oh, well, the fact that we saw it all as "not our problem" until then kinda makes us opportunistic assholes, though. Especially since we exploited the hell out of the post war circumstances. Shit, original concept for the UN gave us the only veto. But we had to bribe the reluctant countries with something.

    Oh, don't forget that the horrible evil enemy everyone was fighting took a LOT of inspiration in the mechanics of how to be so evil directly from American politics.

    So, helping end the war? Yeah, that's generally a pretty cool thing. Everything else? Ummm, yuck.

    The myth we were all taught about the nobility of our country was never true. For fucks sake, the founding of our country was upon the genocide of the native population.

    No, we've never been great. Sorry.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I agree with all your points except one, "we've never been great". That's way too absolute, or at least, one way of interpreting it is, and that's the interpretation I want to raise issue with.

    I'm not going to try to argue that on balance, in total, the American contribution to the world has been great, or even that it's been positive at all. I truly think it it has, overall, but I'm not going to debate it, because that's not a hill I'm interested in dying on and it's not really a useful hill to own anyway.

    "we've never been great" can be interpreted two ways, and I want to be clear about dismissing the other interpretation: America has done many great things and in those things, at those times, it has been great. I don't care if you think the majority of things America has done are good or not, or how you weigh them all against each other. That's not a useful metric and is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, this is not a zero-sum game of finding where the balance point lies. What is important is that there are many, incredibly great things America has done. Those things should not be dismissed, thrown away and scandalized just because they've also done many incredibly bad things.

    We are all flawed creatures, we create flawed nations, we have to accept that. Perfection, moral or otherwise, is not an attainable goal in the present or probably ever. But our superpower is that we can learn, generationally, in a way that other species simply do not. We can learn from our mistakes and our immorality and our evils to become better. We don't always do that, obviously, because we are still flawed creatures. But we can learn, and that's what has set us apart, and if we want to continue to progress we need to learn. In order to learn, we have to see the reality, and see the examples, both the bad ones and the good ones, and learn from them, and get other people to see them and learn from them.

    Like I said in a sibling comment, we need to learn from our history or we are doomed to repeat it. That includes the good and the bad. Repeating the good is good and we need to learn how to do that. Repeating the bad is what we need to learn to avoid. They're both important goals.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Damn you must be old if you remember that.

    Make America like it was when our great grandparents were young again! (Edit: Not the Jim Crow part)

    Because that was the last time we had a social democratic government that stood up to fascists.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I remember it from reading about it in history books, something that everyone could benefit from doing in this day and age. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (over, and over, and over again)

    Education and learning is the solution. We need to educate people. Everyone. It's the only way that will ever actually lead out of this mess.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The only good side is that devs will have to optimize and do more with less or focus less on graphics.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Some might, but others will probably make games with ridiculously high requirements so the only way most people can play them is via cloud-based subscription services.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Probably, but I guess we should boycott these and choose a model with our wallets.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If we'd had boycott powers like that, we would already use it to prevent this bullshit in the first place. We weren't able to prevent shit that nobody wants, imagine trying to boycott shit that some people actually want to have.

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  • [–] 79 points 9 months ago

    Dystopian fucking timeline to be alive, gamer or not

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  • [–] 101 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Me with the OLED and the original:

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is my situation too! I bought the original LCD one when they were on pre-order, then my right bumper button broke (a common issue with the first models) and I took too long to request the free fix/replacement from Valve.

    So my wife encouraged me to just buy one of the new OLED ones that had just released and she'd take my old one.

    She hardly games on it anyway, and when she does, I showed her how to remap that bumper button to a different button. Almost no games use the trigger buttons on the underside of the Steam Deck, so those are always available.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have an original model with a bad right bumper as well. I'm too cheap to buy a new one (or fix it) so I just remap that button. Honestly it's more comfortable to play using the back buttons.

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  • [–] 53 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    The RAM shortage is only temporary, it will pass. But the popularity of the Steam Deck is opening the floodgates for more mainstream Linux devices.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    The RAM shortage is only temporary, it will pass

    Just like GPU shortage was temporary... Oh wait.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    The shortage was temporary, the price increase was not.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Any reason why it should be different with RAM?

    Also the GPU shortage hasn't gone anywhere as shown by the 50xx cards release and with Nvidia saying it will not even release new GPUs in 2026, it's only getting worse.

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Who in their right mind will sell it cheaper than the competitors?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Someone who's not an asshole. Also, if you sold it for cheaper you'd make bank because everyone would buy from you instead of your asshole competitors.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    That's not how capitalism works. What will happen in this case, bigger players that don't want to lower their prices will run you out of business using a bunch of dirty tactics, bankrupt you twice over, and continue selling shit for as much as they can get away with.
    Capitalism might be a good idea on paper, but this naive shit never actually works on practice, every time they build it, instead of self-regulating free market working for people, it devolves into this hell where practically monopolies divide the market and squeese everyone dry

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I never said that was how capitalism worked. Nothing in this comment contradicts anything I said.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    It kind of looks like you didn't understand my response. Do you want me to simplify it for you, or do you want to give it another pass?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Exactly my expectation, sadly. The crypto/NFT rush and then the AI rush has shown GPU manufactures, Nvidia especially, that people will still pay for GPUs, even at insane prices. So of course being a publicly held mega-Corp, they will keep the high prices and set it as the new baseline. Same to a lesser degree with AMD.

    Ram will follow a similar pattern. Temporary extreme market conditions will create scarcity, prices spike to unheard of levels, desperate consoomers will still buy out what supply they can get, and signal to the companies selling it that the new high prices are actually totally fine.

    The days of mid tier GPUs being $200-$350 are long gone. So are the days of 64Gb kits of mid-teir RAM for $200

    And no, the market isn't going to adjust in a good way for gamers with devs and studios writing more efficient code that runs high quality graphics on lower end hardware. We will get the dystopia option, no more consumer PC parts, rent a pre-built to use at a huge markup, or you pay for an online subscription to a cloud gaming platform. Either way, it enshitifies.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have 128GB of DDR4 RAM that I'll sell for $20k

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    I had to replace my travel notebook recently and wanted a bit more horsepower, ended up getting a steamdeck OLED because it was half the price of an equivelent laptop.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’ve never seen a shortage not followed by a glut.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I've seen people mention headlines that memory producers are intentionally not increasing production in order to not have a post-bubble glut - but also found at least one headline suggesting that they were in fact planning new factories, so... Who knows.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Time to sell mine! Where can I do that? And if you say Facebook marketplace, that is absolutely a no go.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Please don't profiteer on the back of AI

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Your comment kinda sounds like an accusation. If they don't jack up the price, it's not profiteering. Hell, even if they sell at the price they paid, it still doesn't meet the definition.

    But, I agree with the sentiment. Scalpers should be drawn and quartered, at minimum!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I have two. I am reluctant to sell the one I never use because selling things is barely worth the hassle. If I made back what I paid I would be happy. If the market is worth it now, I really can't control or be held responsible for what caused it.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Yep. Exactly how I learned they were out of stock. :)

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    When do y'all figure manufacturers will realize we don't want to trade PC gaming for "AI" horseshit?

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    But your masters do, so you will live without gaming PC. Enjoy subscription streaming gaming from now on.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Well my pc plays great a lot of older games up to 2020. My backlog is big and I bet there is a huge number of games which are unknown to me, that I will enjoy if I discover them. My rx6600 may struggle with 1440p sometimes, but I can always go back to 1080p. Almost all new games are trash anyway, so not a huge loss.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    50% of the wealth in America is now owned by the top 1%, they can effectively ignore what we want and turn a more reliable profit, that is, of course, until the bubble pops.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago

    I mean, true, but I don’t think the Machine and VR headset are competing with the Deck.

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    Scalpers gonna scalp.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I wish I never sold my deck.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I went over to the Steam Deck website and all models are sold out.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup, the article focuses only on OLED, but only because that’s the “news”. They had previously reported the LCD model being out, which I hadn’t heard about yet.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    New hardware is coming out soon. This is not unusual before a big product launch.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The GabeCube/Frame/Controller 2 shouldn't have anything to do with the Deck, though. They're entirely different products, so they shouldn't impact availability of the Deck.

    And that wasn't true with the past update to the Deck, either; the 64GB and 512GB LCD models were available for so long that they went on clearance pricing multiple times before they sold out.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Deck is 4 years old at this point. They shouldn't honestly be making anymore, and I don't think AMD would even be doing production runs of that SoC a ymore anyway. These devices aren't meant to be produced into perpetuity, and especially not when the same company paying to produce them has THREE new hardware devices coming out any day. It's the last thing they'd care about.

    So if course they're going out of stock. The Deck was never meant to be a generational console like a Switch. It's simple PC hardware meant to span the 3-5 year gap, same as a laptop. Again, this is year 4, and they have OTHER new hardware coming out.

    This tells you a few things:

    1. They don't want Deck in stock for price comparison to new hardware if it's going to be more expensive
    2. They really want to motivate sales of Frame as a Deck alternative
    3. They want another product pivot to follow up later, which will probably be Deck 2 or whatever

    Author of this article is just in the wrong neighborhood.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean, I don't have any direct sources on hand to refute that, but that logic doesn't pass the sniff test, at least to me.

    The Deck is an incredibly successful product that constantly sits near the top of the "all sales" chart, is incredibly important for Valve to keep computing open (and not lose their entire business model to Windows' enshittification), and has virtually 0 overlap with any of the products coming out.

    If anything, I'd expect them to cancel the GabeCube before the Deck, at least until the Deck has a successor.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If you're familiar with the logistics of the components industry, you might understand.

    You're completely glossing over the connection between these things. New hardware line coming out this month-ish(?). They also want it to be successful. The product overlap is with the Frame, Switch 2, Arm devices at large, and the myriad other handhelds trying to copy the success of Deck.

    Now, if you're Valve, your bread and butter isn't the devices, it's platform lock-in. More devices running Steam means more money, regardless of the device itself. This is why they've taken the time to make sure SteamOS was portable enough to run on a bunch of other devices, which is the big note here.

    They're thinking platform, you're only concerned with a single piece of hardware that had a miniscule impact on their bottom line. They make BILLIONS in pure profit every year ust from platform engagement. Deck made them millions over four years. That's the difference.

    So what makes more sense? More Deck models, or more devices spreading into a larger ecosystem to gain further footholds into platform engagement?

    Deck honestly doesn't factor much into that. Frame and FEX however is going to be monumental shift into a massive expansion of Steam on ARM, and will probably ultimately mean if there is another Deck, it's also going to be ARM. It's a much bigger picture than all the comments in here are putting together.

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    You're not wrong on your initial points at all, and I said as much above, so we're in agreement.

    You seem to be thinking Valve is shutting down Deck as a product, and I never said that at all. They just have more important irons in the fire. There is also an obvious benefit in them pivoting Deck 2 to an ARM SoC in the next version, and they've literally said as much. AMD already quietly announced their ARM-based SoC (sort of by accident), so it's not weird at all for a company like Valve to: 1) Focus on the pivot they are currently making and 2) Focus on the development of Deck 2.

    On your other point: nobody, including Valve said they were discontinuing anything. People are freaking out because they're out of stock. So what? They have bigger fish to fry. If they do another production run, they may do it after launch of the new hardware just to see where things lie, but who knows.

    If you're familiar with Valve's history in hardware, you know they don't officially discontinue anything, they just stop selling it in between hardware revision releases. There is absolutely nothing weird happening here that is inconsistent with their history of this.

    My personal bet is they are guessing that Frame will be in direct competition with Deck, and they want people to buy that instead. Running out of stock of one during a product push for the other just seems like they care less about producing a dated product, but have the option to make another production run if they see things going that way.

    We also don't even have the insights into how well Deck is selling at this point. Maybe it just doesn't make fiscal sense to make another production run right now. Who knows 🤷

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    why would there be a price increase after the release of the new one coming up? that makes no goddamn sense how about that for news reporting

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