Ad-blocking is a property right. I have every right to control what my device does or does not display, by definition of ownership. Conversely, advertisers or other parties attempting to colonize my device by forcing it to display something against my (the owner's) will is a hostile act that violates my rights.
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advertising is just propaganda without a cause
idk about other languages, but in Portuguese it's literally the same word
I'm surprised the corpos haven't pushed for a new word with less baggage. That's exactly the sort of thing they do when you don't reign them in
Neither "anuncios" (adverts) nor "marketing" (yeah, we use the English word) are the same as "propaganda" (its spelled the same as in English but said slightly differently)
Is what you describe a Brasilian Portuguese thing?
Probably is a Brazilian thing, but we have words for publicity(publicidade), advertising(anΓΊncios), marketing(same english words because we are a bunch of removed). Propaganda is all this things, I don't know if is just colloquialism but people uses more the term propaganda than the specifics.
It's funny how you can tell when a concept is extremely modern because in languages other than English they tend to just use the English term or a localized variation of the English term
Ah right.
In Portugal in general use "propaganda" is definitelly just the political stuff whilst "publicidade" is definitelly just the commercial stuff.
Mind you, maybe before those two concepts were more merged: I know that in legal terms the political stuff is explicitly called "Propaganda PolΓtica" since I've done paphlet distribution for a political party here during election campaigns and the rules for putting "political propaganda" in people's mailboxes are different than for "publicidade".
Maybe there's a technical difference, but at least in Brazil, publicidade and propaganda are widely used as synonyms
- https://www.dicio.com.br/publicidade/
- https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escola_Superior_de_Propaganda_e_Marketing
It is uncommon to call propaganda (in the political sense) publicidade, so maybe in popular conversations this makes publicidade a kind of propaganda, and not the other way around.
The cause is to separate you from your money and time. To reinforce and promote capital as the ultimate gatekeepers.
yeah but it's not made by the people the propaganda works for. they're just cogs. normal propaganda is made by the people championing the cause in question.
Advertisement makes me want that product even less.
The worse the product is, the more desperate they get to shove it in your face. Good products don't need to pay others to pretend it's good, you just find out via word-of-mouth or free trials
I was thinking about this just the other day. There's a popular market in my home state, one I've been going to since childhood. It's a single store, not a chain, and it's almost always packed. I've never seen nor heard a single ad for it in my life. Naturally, that makes me like the place even more.
Yep I actively avoid companies that inundate me. I've switched insurance companies because of it (local agent got me much better rates too).
So you're telling me gaico doesn't save as much on car insurance?
Seriously going through an insurance broker is awesome. Best dang way to deal with insurance because I can just call up the broker and have them do it all for me, plus they get paid on commission by the insurance companies (which are mostly smaller B2B companies that don't spend millions on advertising) so it's not even like you pay more for your insurnace
People say this but, if advertising didn't work, companies would have stopped paying for ads long time ago. It works for them, we view ads and then we are willing to pay more for a product that is worth less; it's this simple.
The only solution for us is to avoid ads at all cost.
my kids have grown up with my adblocked version of the internet, when they connect to other internet thats not a filtered feed they get annoyed by ads in their games and on their videos
My wife initially hated my piholes, because they broke some of her phoneβs stuff. She runs stock Samsung Android, so lots of the built in Google stuff got broken. She was constantly complaining about it. We eventually spent an evening hunt-and-peckβing the various blocked DNS requests, to see which ones were required for her phone to work properly, and which ones were just Google Adsense BS. Got her set up with a WireGuard VPN connection that automatically activates when sheβs disconnected from the home WiFi, so sheβs always protected.
Now that sheβs used to it, itβs like a wake up slap whenever she encounters ads. We moved a while ago, and all of my more advanced networking stuff (including the pihole) was sitting in a box until I had time to set it all up. She suddenly started seeing ads again, and was absolutely gobsmacked at how pervasive they are. What really sent her over the edge was when our Roku TV was paused, and went to its idle screen. The idle screen is an auto-scrolling image, and it had an ad plastered across the scrolling image. She was like βwhat the fuck weβre not even watching anything right now! Itβs just idle! Why the hell are they advertising to us on the damned idle screen??β That was what finally pushed her to give me an evening to set all of the networking stuff back up.
Do you have links to any knowledge base docs or guides? I tried setting this up a few years back and couldn't really nail it down and just kinda gave up because it broke too many websites and my smarttv apps wouldn't work either.
Our smart TV doesn't allow an ad blocker on YouTube, but my kids have developed a way to skip ads anyway. They don't tolerate ads more than I do, and I couldn't be prouder.
Man you must be a good parent. I can only aspire that my future kids are this smart
Jailbreak your TV and install a third party launcher and SmartTube. It gave my Sony TV a new lease on life after it was almost smothered to death by ads, even on the home screen.
People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you're not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don't owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don't even start asking for theirs.
Banksy
Somewhat relevant are the Subvertisers for London (as well as similar groups all over the world):

All ads are non consensual and designed to get your attention. So we put them in places like on giant boards along highways. Very cool, very safe.
There's a giant, glowing, animated LED billboard along a main road near my house that had a PSA about distracted driving on it the other day. It made me angry.
Nice point if view. Ironically we live in times when minding others boundaries is almost common sense. Abusive behavior gets public contempt. But everyone is just accepting manipulative, malicious and intrusive ads.
Yet another reason we need to move away from cars. Since the distraction is likely not going away, we need to minimize the safety/distraction issue.
(Goddamn we need so much high speed rail, and yesterday)
Goddamn we need so much high speed rail, and yesterday
And so much more standard speed rail too! There's tons of railroad lines all over the country, and even many old stations still standing. Let's start building RDCs again (or better, a modern equivalent) and start running passenger services on all of those lines
The challenges are several fold. For one, there's basically no manufacturers of passenger railcars left in the country. Occasionally a network upgrade will lead to one being spun up for a few years then it'll shut down once the order is fulfilled because there's no consistent market for passenger railcars in North America.
I'd propose using a mix of historic British Rail procurement practices and current military contract practices where you put up a pot of money for up for say 3 companies to develop a prototype railcar meeting a specific spec. Make the spec for a fairly basic car and be ready to update station platforms for ADA compliance rather than forcing the cars to be compatible with 20 different platform heights and designs. Then test those 3 prototypes and the winner receives a bonus as the design is purchased by the federal government, and next you license that design out for all manufacturers in the country to produce, followed by an ongoing order of say 48 railcars per year from 5 different manufacturers and you have 248 railcars per year (enough to replace Amtrak's entire current fleet within 10 years) from 5 different companies (reducing risk of one company mucking it all up) all manufactured with local labor and you have a standard design that is already in active production for other operators to order as well. Repeat this process for more equipment and designs as needed, and suddenly you have a bunch of known standard designs that your network can be built to and you have health competition between manufacturers which will be big enough (because each will have around 50-100 million dollars a year in revenue from that one ongoing federal contract alone) to start performing their own independent R&D to make their own unique stock to try to attract more orders from rail operators
This is what the federal government exists for, making ambitious infrastructure projects like this possible. Policians just aren't interested in thinking big enough
If you don't think you can do away with billboards I don't see how you'd think you could get people to stop using cars. Especially with how many things get delievered door to door these days. You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic. I don't see changing that being any easier than getting rid of billboards and other highly intrusive ads.
I understand that cars serve a purpose. But trains and buses move orders of magnitude more people than cars could ever dream. With a properly functioning transit system (including the aforementioned high speed rails) traffic would clear up (because traffic didn't happen to you, you are traffic), and fewer distracted operators would be on the road.
And in removing those people from operating vehicles, the distraction of a billboard, and the subsequent potential accidents, are mitigated.
And yes we also need to get rid of billboards.
You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic.
True, just one more lane, right?
The thing with adding lanes is induced demand. By nature of there being more space for cars on that road more drivers will choose take that road over other roads. Cars don't magically come into existence, people drive them, and people drive them for a reason, most commonly to go to/from somewhere
Trains (and bikes and buses) take cars off the road. Every person riding on a transit solution that isn't a car is a individual vehicle trip saved. When every vehicle contains an average of 1.2 people in it, you've got very close to 1:1 vehicle reduction for every trip that's not taken by car
So to your point, are some number of non-drivers choosing not to drive because of traffic? Probably a small number of them. But a complete transit system that has the real world effect of fewer cars on the road will mean few people owning cars. Why would a family own 2 cars when one is parked most of the time? Why spend $20k on a new (to you) car if you're barely using the one you have/had? Fewer cars means less cars on the road which means less traffic. This is the dream.
I moved to Linux, use Freetube, LineageOS on the phone, listen all day to internet radios from the command line, browser with uBlock add on and it's been years since I saw or listened an ad.
I would like to know more about this Internet radio command line thingy
Daaaaaamn, thanks for tv garden link
Yikes. I opened the web page and saw an ad. Started the radio, heard an ad.
Until, you know, you went outside.
The eternal pestilence of physical advertising. Our world will not truly be clean until Linux purges the sins of marketing from this Earth.
Incidentally, you might be interested in Cidade Limpa
Same, glad to hear there are others who found the path free from these parasites :)
If you want to actively shit on them, there is AdNauseam, which is a fork of uBlock Origin but in addition to blocking the ads, it clicks on absolutely everything, sending fake signals. Polluting their database is costing them money and they have to deal with all the noise.
Not for everyone, but definitely an active hostility towards these fucks.
That seems like it opens the door to a lot of security issues. Part of the reason to use uBlock is that ads are a known threat vector.
All clicks are performed in an isolated sandbox separate from the user area (basically imagine the click register signal going out, but nothing more).
What if you have a multi layered ad blocking setup where youβre using ublock origin and pi.hole and a VPN with blocking?
The multiple layers of redundancy would likely clash with Adnauseum, yeah. Although that probably is just wasted compute - you may only need one or two of those solutions to have effective adblocking (uBlock for supported browsers, pi.hole for devices unable to have uBlock installed) rather than all 3 at once.
Well Iβm not gonna bother turning off any of the layers when Iβm out and about. Like, my laptop still needs ublock when Iβm not at home. And the vpn is just for certain use cases.
If you set up tailscale, you can connect your laptop to your home network and have the pi-hole everywhere.
Except it still rewards the site for hosting ads in the first place
As someone who works in marketing - they will tote these clicks as a great success and continue to do what they are doing, maybe even more so, but will be distraught by the lack of follow through when it comes to sales. I guess if it happened long enough, And on a big enough scale, they might eventually give up but it would take years
Didn't Louis Rossmann say that the conversion rate when they briefly ran repair shop ads was less than 2% or something similar? I think he referred to it when talking about using adblock and donating/buying merch for your favorite creators instead.
Or, more likely, they would not include the fake clicks in their metrics at all, and marketing would never see the inflated metrics.
Site gets paid and I get the content I want. Only one losing is the advertiser, which is a good thing in my book
It's a cute idea, but they would just incorporate some amount of false clicks into their metrics.
Yeah they can probably just ignore your entire profile because it's gives no useful insight, and that's the point.
Exactly, its data poisioning.
If someone is trying to build an ad profile on you (even if you personally dont see the ads) then it feeds them junk data instead of real date.
If you think clicking all the ads makes a meaningful difference, then all the power to you.
Its purely out of spite, plus, im not clicking anything.
I run the full ad blocking suite anyway and see more ads watching a sportsball game with the family than I do on my home network over the course of months.
- I dont see the ads
- The data they generate is wrong and random, if that is used to train AI it runs the risk of poisioning the model.
- The site Im on gets paid by the ad vendor, even though the interaction is fraudulent.
I call it a win-win
Blocking ads definitely doesn't help the site get paid, that's what I was talking about above.
For the same reason, it's probably not doing any meaningful "poisoning" either.
Then go read what the AdNaseum plugin does and we will talk then.
Do you know if AdNauseum actively merges in new uBlock Origin changes, or is it fully forked?
https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/ It's a direct fork that seems pretty up to date, only lagging 26 commits behind upstream
I prefer using Pi-Hole (DNS based block) the ads don't even waste my bandwith.
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