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[–] 164 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Google in 2024: Net profit: $100 billion

The government: "here is a tiny fine that you can't even see in a microscope."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I agree, but one thing that people always miss with these kinds of rulings is that they generally come with increased oversight and greater fines for repeat offenses. They're more likely to be caught if they try it again, and it'll grow until it actually hurts.

    Still, this should be a lot larger. They should be trying to dissuade first-time offenses as well, not letting them take advantage of the system for profit because it won't hurt much when they're found out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    In theory, yes, but governments won't do that. They worry that corporations would leave their states and they lose on employment and tax revenue. That's why they fine them very carefully to begin with.

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    [–] 106 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    That’s a rounding error for them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's 1/85 of the watch that Ramzan Kadyrov's son sported on his wedding.

    Or one can just compare it to the share of Google's profits in California.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Perhaps a post about this in politics? You've piqued my interest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know, it's Russian news mostly, just impressed plenty of people enough to say "yeah, this is bad, time to flee" (because this basically means that people in power don't expect anything even resembling rule of law in the next few decades ; some sort of thief feudalism, like the "political system" Gypsies have when left to themselves, and I don't hate Gypsies, but I also don't like a few things associated with their cultures).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm extremely interested. Perhaps somewhere on a niche instance?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It doesn't come up in search on Lemmy, at least everything by "Adam Kadyrov" is about some special forces training event or him beating someone.

    If a link in Russian will do (Google Translate?), then https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2025/06/30/26158466.shtml , maybe?

    The wedding also involved shooting into the air from a G-Wagon and polarized sunglasses (OK, that part is really not that strange, it's basic convenience and fashion everywhere around Caucasus ; just wanted to communicate the atmosphere).

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Years ago, when this policy was first being contemplated, someone at google plugged a number, likely larger than this, into a spreadsheet analyzing the cost/benefit of spying on their customers.

    This is just post-activation operating expense from their perspective.

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Google made 100 billion last year.

    300 million is barely a blip.

    The fine should have been 30 billion.

    if the fines arent big enough to seriously hurt a company, Then the fines are not big enough to change their behavior.

    They just become a tax on evil.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    They should definitely be higher than what they are, even the GDPR fines are a joke, its likely added to a line "legal expenses" in their expenses.

    While it looks like the EU fines are ramping up over time, it still just feels silly right now. But I guess that is intentional.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Base it not off the entire company, base it off the value of doing this. They didnt make 100 billion off unapproved android user data collection.

    This argument is common and while fines should be higher, the idea that they dont matter unless they are 10% of earnings is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because all the "slap on the wrist" fines have worked so well to modify corporate rapism... /s

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah I'd agree that there is a lack of enforcement in some aspects but moreso a lack of regulation and legislation in others.

    There needs to be a better commitment to addressing trends in capitalism than reacting to their overstepping.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    These fines worked in 1957.

    They don't work today.

    Its not an overreach to increase fines to a relative point commiserate with current earnings, so that they can actually harm a company and by doing so discourage future illicit behavior.

    To try and claim otherwise is some corpo rat bullshit.

    These fines come on the heels of willful behavior, that they believe they can make money off of even accounting for the fines.. Which turns the fine into nothing more than a tax. With higher fines, that can destroy their profits and damage their company, they won't be so eager to pencil evil into the expense line.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don’t we ban Chinese phones for the same actions?

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    So of the billions they made with that they have to pay a small fee.

    Oh noes

    Jail them!

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Probably won't have to pay. They're appealing.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Alt text: a screenshot from final fantasy tactics with a character saying: “If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class.”

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Assuming the fine isn't progressive, of course.

    Over here in Finland fines for any but the minor offences are defined in percents of income, not in fixed sums of money. There have been cases of traffic fines of several hundreds of thousands for going 30 km/h over the speed limit. That makes them a punishment for very richest people as well, not only for the lower class.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A fine is the cost of doing business. Unless something changes they’ll keep doing it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Doesn't sound like the suit was about the collection at all and just about the data transmission costing users mobile data usage.

    Vague articles are vague.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Break the law and pay 0.014% of your market cap, or 0.31% of their 2024 profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    (Also not change anything besides maybe make a terms upade.)

    The horror!!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    The linked Reuters article provides a bit more context:

    The jury agreed with the plaintiffs that Alphabet's Google (GOOGL.O), was liable for sending and receiving information from the devices without permission while they were idle, causing what the lawsuit had called "mandatory and unavoidable burdens shouldered by Android device users for Google's benefit."

    […]

    Google spokesperson Jose Castaneda said in a statement that the company would appeal, and that the verdict "misunderstands services that are critical to the security, performance, and reliability of Android devices."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    opens new tab

    the verdict "misunderstands services that are critical to the security, performance, and reliability of Android devices."

    Ummmm maybe I’m misunderstanding but how on earth is opening a new tab critical to security and performance?

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    I don't chase dropped pennies, and I don't think google does either!

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  • Oh noes

    They're shivering in their boots

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So when are we all finally going to ditch Google/Apple and move on to actual FOSS phones like Librem5 or Fairphone?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When they are good.

    Another problem I have is multifactor apps. Can I get duo on a Linux phone? Or banking apps? Some software sends notifications to the phone to log in on a computer, for example.

    I'm sure I could get around it, but ultimately I just want a good camera.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I need to know that Microsoft authenticator, duo mobile, all banking and trading apps, Venmo, and steam guard work on Linux. I know a lot of banking apps do, but if duo mobile doesn't, I'm locked out of my work.

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    They submitted kernel patches for (at least some) support of the FP6 the day it released. The preinstalled OS isn't FOSS though a good few FOSS OSs/distros support their older phones (and presumably the FP6 eventually).

    So the answer is... sort of? Personally I just think they're just FOSS-friendly

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Let's be clear, the fine is for using cellular data, which is the harm caused.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I suspected they were doing that

    Can I take off my tinfoil hat now?

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