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[–] 151 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (93 children)

PSA: musk is a fascist and Nazi. Buying cars from Tesla directly supports him and thus all the terrible things he does. There are lots of much better electric cars if that’s what you want

Edit: I sure kicked a hornets nest saying maybe not buy from the fascist. To be clear: almost every car manufacturer has EVs now, multiple models. If you can’t find one of those that’s good deal and just have to buy Tesla, maybe you just really want a Tesla idk. If you want the ‘good deal’ I highly doubt Tesla really stacks up, but the best deal as always will be buying something used.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not just buying.

    Even if you had yours from the salute, or whatever, he’s still using your driving data to train their self driving softwares.

    They’re still selling your data to whoever, too.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    I’d buy Chinese if I could, but I can’t. Chinese cars are the only cars that are as high of quality in the infotainment department (the most important part of a car), and I’m absolutely pissed that that is the reality.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Rivian. VW. Hell even a Ford f150 lightning. The choices arent just between China and Tesla.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    My lightning is a gigantic piece of shit. It’s been in the shop 40 days in one year of ownership. The infotainment screen software runs at 15fps. VW doesn’t have an electric option with at least 320 miles of range (afaik) and their infotainment center screens are way too small (15” is the minimum at which a screen can be useful). Rivian is unaffordable and has the same slowness problem with their software. (Tesla does the right thing which is putting a processor that’s way overpowered in the infotainment stack which means that the software will be 120FPS for years to come)

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    as high of quality

    Aren't Teslas famously NOT high quality? Like, at all? Glued on plastic body panels and whatnot? Can't take it through a car wash without frying all the electronics (oh, but don't worry, we added a special "car wash" button just for that!)?

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  • [+] -74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (84 children)

    Crazy how this is what determines how most of you spend your money, not whether what you're buying is a good deal or not.

    spoilerI guess it's to be expected from a bunch of mindless consumers 🤷.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (29 children)

    If you consider it crazy to fight fascism, maybe you are a fascist.

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  • [+] -56 points 9 months ago (28 children)

    Nah. The crazy part is how they think it's okay to be ripped off as long as it's not by a fascist.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    If my options are ripped off by a fascist or ripped off by not a fascist, then yes, I'll choose to be ripped off by not a fascist. The fuck kind of argument did you think you were making?

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  • [+] -33 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Don't get ripped off.

    I know, that's a foreign concept to most of you.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You're the one who injected "getting ripped off" into the discussion as some false dichotomy, so don't grandstand about how apparently anyone who doesn't support fascism is a sucker, you dolt.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Rich coming from the person trying to justify Tesla cars as not a ripoff when they're some of the worst shit to come out of North America in the past few decades, equipped with a ripoff self-driving technology that doesn't work even though it was promised to be coming as a fully fledged feature a decade ago, and which has been getting charged as a complete feature for just as long.

    Maybe, just maybe, the ultra-billionaire fascist asshole who's hoarding wealth by inflating his companies' stock prices doesn't have his costumer's best interests in mind. I know, shocking, moral values kinda correlate with whether you're getting ripped off or not, its a crazy concept, and one that the MAGA folks so desperately think they understand but they sorely don't.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm literally saying Teslas are a ripoff.

    You're paying extra because there's no competition. There's no competition because the same people profiting off of your naivete uses that profit to buy your government and make your laws.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    OP literally said there's much better deals anyways. You focused entirely on the financial aspect of the comment, when that was never what was being discussed. Its perfectly fine for people to, in addition to thinking about good or bad deals, think about the moral implications of their purchases. At no point did they say or imply that morality was the only or primary basis for a purchase regardless of value proposition.

    Edit: don't assume I'm a fucking gringo, ew

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I'm the one who commented.

    Use your brain.

    spoilerBut let's be real, that's asking too much of you. You're just upset that I dared criticize people for their mindless consumption.

    Keep spending.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You're zensanto. LadyMeow is LadyMeow. OP, in my context, is LadyMeow, not you. You're just being autistic for no good reason.

    To quote OP:

    There are lots of much better electric cars if that’s what you want

    Or is this too difficult for you to follow?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    No one said that. Teslas are a ripoff anyway, so why are you framing this like it's a choice between "support a fascist or get ripped off"? That's fucking inane.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I said it's crazy how this is where they draw the line.

    Most of the people saying to avoid Tesla are only saying that because of the CEO, not because the cars are scams.

    It's part of why most people are rubes.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    It's crazy to you that someone would draw a line against supporting fascism? So if Elon released a decent product at a fair price, but was still an open neonazi, you would support him? Because having a moral stance guiding one's economic decisions makes one a rube?!?

    Do you read and enjoy Ayn Rand or something?

    Criticizing Musk for being a nazi doesn't preclude the other valid critiques such as Teslas being an overpriced and shitty product. That's a strawman that you've injected into the conversation.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    If Elon was still a fascist and offered a fair deal, then I wouldn't be saying people are crazy for drawing the line at his fascism when the cars are scams.

    You need to learn how to read before any of this will make sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    You're just shifting goalposts, and I'm done with you. Bye.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I know people that still won't buy Mercedes (and some other brands - these same people don't look too closely into IBM, GM, Ford, etc., though.) because of what they were involved with approximately 80 years ago, regardless of whether they are a "good deal" or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    He is a fascist and it’s also not a good deal so I dunno what point you’re trying to make.

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  • [+] -51 points 9 months ago (46 children)

    "There are better cars"

    There really aren't. No car has gotten anywhere close to the level of tech in Tesla. But sure, let's ignore that and spend more on shittier car because FUCK YOU. no nice things for you while there are hungry kids in Africa!

    Buy what you want, he's set for life regardless.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Tesla EV technology hasn't changed in 10 years, and those cars are the bottom of the list for reliability.

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  • [+] -23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    10 years of no change and still ahead you say?????

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Yes the pinnacle of tech where you can't get out of car is on fire. And no removing speaker grills to find a latch is not an acceptable solution when your panicking.

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  • [+] -23 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Surely if that was such a problem and wide spread, it wouldn't be allowed nor the best selling car worldwide? But hey, I'm sure your Chinese car does a lot better! And isn't causing an actual ban to happen...

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    There were numerous government investigations into various Tesla issues, but he DOGEd them right out of existence, so a cringy asslicking PedoCon like you can say "If they were so bad, why doesn't the government stop them?"

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The comment didn't deserve anything past this mockery.

    If one copies and pastes same tired comments, what else do they expect?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Thanks for telling us you don't give a damn about the children who burned alive in battery fires because they couldn't get out of their parent's tesla. Gruesome way to go that nobody deserves, especially not children. But I guess we can't expect you to have empathy...

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Musk has personally set those cars ablaze. Also no other car ever has had anyone else die in them. Right?

    Funny, seen a video of porche crashing and locking 3 kids in back but they managed to break window to get them out while car was ablaze. But that never makes the news now, does it?

    Or how about Volvo! Oh we love praising them! But when news was making rounds of their battery packs setting themselves off? "100s of EVs under recall!"

    It only makes news when it's tesla, doesn't it?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Because when it happens to other cars, there's a recall and the problem gets fixed. When it happens to tesla, musk bribes a regulatory body or breaks into the government and defunds an entire institution so that he can get away with it.

    Musk has personally set those cars ablaze

    He's not a nazi because his cars are deathtraps. He's a nazi, and his cars happen to be death traps.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Okay but like ... In my and the other user's opinion there are better cars at the same or cheaper price point for what you get.

    I mean I'm not going to write a whole article on it here but I don't think it's fair for you to act like Tesla has some magical monopoly on tech in their cars that other manufacturers are lacking. You could argue full self driving mode, maybe, but everything else exists in their competition too.

    Besides even full self driving has its own problems.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck self drive. There are individual things some will do better, but as a package? Tesla is unbeatable. I'll paste what I've written earlier s to what makes Tesla the best:

    Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that's for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.

    Key less entry - I'm too used to it. I don't want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They're locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.

    Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today's day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I'm not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.

    Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn't connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it'll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.

    Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.

    Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it'll be non issue.

    People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps...

    Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say "it's super easy to turn off driver attention system!" THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn't have such abysmal safety measures they're annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can't express how bad some of these are.

    Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don't need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don't crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.

    Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky "recycled" look. I'm paying serious money and I want some comfort. It's a low bar and pretty much any car I've test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I'm not opposed to say the Taycan level.

    This has been fun to type out. I hope it makes sense. There were many cars which almost made it. I'm waiting for Xpeng test drive which promises all these things. So we shall see. Our model 3 has 91k on it. It's still a great car and if we need to spend another 3 years with it waiting for something new? That's fine.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Their cars suck. They're poor quality and unsafe.

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  • [+] -19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Can you find some actual point except same old parroted one? "Poor quality", the fuck does that even mean?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Fucking Chevy makes a better car.

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  • [+] -20 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Does it do any of this?

    Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that's for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.

    Key less entry - I'm too used to it. I don't want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They're locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.

    Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today's day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I'm not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.

    Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn't connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it'll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.

    Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.

    Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it'll be non issue.

    People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps...

    Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say "it's super easy to turn off driver attention system!" THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn't have such abysmal safety measures they're annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can't express how bad some of these are.

    Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don't need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don't crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.

    Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky "recycled" look. I'm paying serious money and I want some comfort. It's a low bar and pretty much any car I've test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I'm not opposed to say the Taycan level.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It’s fucking hilarious that you have to point out that “my wife doesn’t have problems opening the glovebox” as if that’s a problem in any other conventional car. Pull lever. Open glovebox. No sub-menu required. No tech bro wanking on the screen.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    Because it's one of the first thing that's said about it, like its some big deal. Fuck it, I like having one storage locked behind that can't be easily opened by someone breaking in or whatever.

    But hey, carry on hating!

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yes, other cars have all those features.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Any Cadillac for Sentry Mode (it's called Surround Vision Recorder, and unlike Tesla, it's not constantly narcing on you, it's locally stored). I'm sure others have equivalents, that's just the one I know off the top of my head.

    Any... car... for keyless entry. That's literally more common than using a key in a new vehicle.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So from the list you named one. Lovely.and its not even available to be viewed remotely?

    And you damn well know keyless doesn't mean a fob.

    So we're clear then, Tesla is unmatched. You failed to name a single fucking car. So did everyone else.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    ... Have a nice one :D

    Snap mathematics, I see you're at about negative 200 karma on this thread, so like, what "everyone else" thinks is fairly obvious.

    Doesn't mean you can't like your car, though! Buy another if you want one. There'll be no shortage on the Tesla lot.

    It's just silly to claim that old bag is innovative. Nobody reasonable's going to agree with you.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago*

    Oh wow! Such a redditor moment! Fucking karma internet points is how we decide facts now? What a clown world we live in.

    Yet, it's been 2 days now? Not a single alternative posted.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    No car has gotten anywhere close to the level of tech in Tesla.

    Not really, and you have to consider a lot of 'tech' is useless crap nobody cares about like door handles that recede into the vehicle.

    People literally just want an electric motor instead of an ICE. Dumb shit like touchscreens and tracking exist because companies charge more for each "feature" than it actually costs to implement.

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  • [+] -16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    There's no alternative to sentry and keyless entry. Also no fleet control for cheap charging.

    Maybe Rivian or lucid does, but they're not in Europe. And have their own issues.

    If your argument is "oh I don't care so neither should you", it's a shitty argument.

    Notice the comments below. Not a single one actually came with a real world example of a better car. But hey ho, to be expected. Unfortunately the elon hate while justified, brings a lot of shouting idiots out. Facts unfortunately care not about your feelings.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    How much is musk paying you? You could probably negotiate a better deal.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago

    At least I have my own opinion without all these morons downvoting like it matters.

    Not a single person has responded with a car yet. Wild how brain washed people got and I'm not going to buy another Tesla either, but if we can't be honest about every other car being behind and doing fuck all to catch up? Then what's the point. The level of hate and lack of reasoning is at least amusing. Must be Americans that are this level of stupid? Most of the comments came outside of European active hours.

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    The best part of that incident was how so many people didn't think it was an attack, just "Yeah, that seems like something a cybertruck would do."

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