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[–] 151 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (93 children)

PSA: musk is a fascist and Nazi. Buying cars from Tesla directly supports him and thus all the terrible things he does. There are lots of much better electric cars if that’s what you want

Edit: I sure kicked a hornets nest saying maybe not buy from the fascist. To be clear: almost every car manufacturer has EVs now, multiple models. If you can’t find one of those that’s good deal and just have to buy Tesla, maybe you just really want a Tesla idk. If you want the ‘good deal’ I highly doubt Tesla really stacks up, but the best deal as always will be buying something used.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not just buying.

    Even if you had yours from the salute, or whatever, he’s still using your driving data to train their self driving softwares.

    They’re still selling your data to whoever, too.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Tesla EV technology hasn't changed in 10 years, and those cars are the bottom of the list for reliability.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Yes the pinnacle of tech where you can't get out of car is on fire. And no removing speaker grills to find a latch is not an acceptable solution when your panicking.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    There were numerous government investigations into various Tesla issues, but he DOGEd them right out of existence, so a cringy asslicking PedoCon like you can say "If they were so bad, why doesn't the government stop them?"

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Thanks for telling us you don't give a damn about the children who burned alive in battery fires because they couldn't get out of their parent's tesla. Gruesome way to go that nobody deserves, especially not children. But I guess we can't expect you to have empathy...

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Because when it happens to other cars, there's a recall and the problem gets fixed. When it happens to tesla, musk bribes a regulatory body or breaks into the government and defunds an entire institution so that he can get away with it.

    Musk has personally set those cars ablaze

    He's not a nazi because his cars are deathtraps. He's a nazi, and his cars happen to be death traps.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Okay but like ... In my and the other user's opinion there are better cars at the same or cheaper price point for what you get.

    I mean I'm not going to write a whole article on it here but I don't think it's fair for you to act like Tesla has some magical monopoly on tech in their cars that other manufacturers are lacking. You could argue full self driving mode, maybe, but everything else exists in their competition too.

    Besides even full self driving has its own problems.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Their cars suck. They're poor quality and unsafe.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Fucking Chevy makes a better car.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yes, other cars have all those features.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    No car has gotten anywhere close to the level of tech in Tesla.

    Not really, and you have to consider a lot of 'tech' is useless crap nobody cares about like door handles that recede into the vehicle.

    People literally just want an electric motor instead of an ICE. Dumb shit like touchscreens and tracking exist because companies charge more for each "feature" than it actually costs to implement.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (29 children)

    If you consider it crazy to fight fascism, maybe you are a fascist.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    If my options are ripped off by a fascist or ripped off by not a fascist, then yes, I'll choose to be ripped off by not a fascist. The fuck kind of argument did you think you were making?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You're the one who injected "getting ripped off" into the discussion as some false dichotomy, so don't grandstand about how apparently anyone who doesn't support fascism is a sucker, you dolt.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Rich coming from the person trying to justify Tesla cars as not a ripoff when they're some of the worst shit to come out of North America in the past few decades, equipped with a ripoff self-driving technology that doesn't work even though it was promised to be coming as a fully fledged feature a decade ago, and which has been getting charged as a complete feature for just as long.

    Maybe, just maybe, the ultra-billionaire fascist asshole who's hoarding wealth by inflating his companies' stock prices doesn't have his costumer's best interests in mind. I know, shocking, moral values kinda correlate with whether you're getting ripped off or not, its a crazy concept, and one that the MAGA folks so desperately think they understand but they sorely don't.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    OP literally said there's much better deals anyways. You focused entirely on the financial aspect of the comment, when that was never what was being discussed. Its perfectly fine for people to, in addition to thinking about good or bad deals, think about the moral implications of their purchases. At no point did they say or imply that morality was the only or primary basis for a purchase regardless of value proposition.

    Edit: don't assume I'm a fucking gringo, ew

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    No one said that. Teslas are a ripoff anyway, so why are you framing this like it's a choice between "support a fascist or get ripped off"? That's fucking inane.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    It's crazy to you that someone would draw a line against supporting fascism? So if Elon released a decent product at a fair price, but was still an open neonazi, you would support him? Because having a moral stance guiding one's economic decisions makes one a rube?!?

    Do you read and enjoy Ayn Rand or something?

    Criticizing Musk for being a nazi doesn't preclude the other valid critiques such as Teslas being an overpriced and shitty product. That's a strawman that you've injected into the conversation.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    You're just shifting goalposts, and I'm done with you. Bye.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I know people that still won't buy Mercedes (and some other brands - these same people don't look too closely into IBM, GM, Ford, etc., though.) because of what they were involved with approximately 80 years ago, regardless of whether they are a "good deal" or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    He is a fascist and it’s also not a good deal so I dunno what point you’re trying to make.

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