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[–] 32 points 9 months ago (8 children)

This is just blatant intimidation. Same reason they arrested Don Lemon, knowing full well there's no legal justification.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It's not illegal if there are no consequences for doing it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Prove what, exactly? If you can cite a specific crime, I can point you to the part of the law that proves that it's illegal, but that's clearly not your gripe. Things that are illegal are illegal, regardless of whether they're enforced or not. The proof is in the law that says that it's illegal.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Unenforced laws are just fiction. I can say anything I want is illegal.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Unenforced laws are just fiction.

    Erm. Nope. They're still laws.

    I can say anything I want is illegal.

    Sure but...that won't make it illegal.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    You're right, just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean that it's not a law.

    You're committing a crime when you do 66 in a 65. It is illegal, although you may not face penalties for committing the crime.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Technically it is. Effectively it isn't. This administration has done more illegality and committed more crimes than most individuals would ever be capable of in their life. And they will face no repercussions for it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Why you should not use a platform owned by billionaires who are sympathetic to the government.

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  • 37 comments in c/news@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 113 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    How mind-numbingly idiotic the DHS can be?

    Man sends email to DHS.

    Agents later show up, show him the email he sent, and demand he present "his side of the story".

    My dudes in idiocracy, WHAT THE ACTUAL LIVING FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT EMAIL WAS?

    Let me help you out: that was "his side of the story".

    Oh, wait a moment. They didn't show up to gather more information - because that's idiotic - but to threaten him with their mere presence, and deter any further emails...

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (9 children)

    In the articles I’ve read, it seems that his use of ‘Russian Roulette’ and ‘Taliban’ in his email is a big part of what triggered all of this.

    Tinfoil hat: what if AI is flagging these emails based on keywords, which sets off the domino effect leading to this ‘investigation’? Given that he used a Gmail account, is it Google that is sending this info to this administration?

    In light of all of the info gathering/stealing that is going on in this administration, I wouldn’t be surprised if this were true. They indeed want to terrorize people, and stunts like this are likely to become commonplace imo.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    That shit was happening before GenAI was a thing. The NSA captures every bit of web traffic in the country.

    The only thing that's surprising is that they weren't already sharing this information across agencies.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is the background I need, thank you.

    It’s pertinent to assume nothing is safe, however it’s ever more important to exercise and defend our right to free speech.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Keep in mind that Lemmy isn't safe either. Anyone with their own instance can see your full comment, post, and voting history even if you've deleted it, and your IP address.

    It's basically a guarantee that the feds have their own instance capturing everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    With the insane volumes of data collected by the TLAs, the problem is always relevance. If they have any tool sensitive enough to flag a threat, the false-positive rate is likely to be astronomical. So it doesn't really meet its claimed purpose, but it's really effective as an indiscrimate tool for oppression.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    It's not Google sending this out. It's literally the NSAs data center flagging it. And if you think your email is safe just because you host it then I got another thing to tell you about how the internet works.

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  • [–] 58 points 9 months ago

    Guy asks them to show some "decency," which is so horrific to them, they basically say "we're going to come for you too."

    100% Nazi shit.

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  • [–] 50 points 9 months ago

    he emailed a lead prosecutor at the Department of Homeland Security, Joseph Dernbach, who was handling the deportation case of an Afghan refugee, identified as H, asking him to consider that the man’s life was in danger from the Taliban.

    That was the content of the email. No threat. No crime. Just telling a prosecutor that he is creating irreputable harm to an individual.

    Both Google and Meta received a record number of subpoenas in the United States during the first half of 2025 as Trump’s second term began, with Google receiving 28,622, a 15 percent increase over the previous six months.

    Bad.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Later that day, Jon received an email from Google notifying him that an administrative subpoena had been sent to them from the Department of Homeland Security “compelling the release of information related to your Google Account.” Federal agencies can issue such subpoenas without an order from a judge or grand jury, and Google gave Jon, who withheld his last name to protect his family from the government, one week to challenge it.

    Laws are supposed to restrict the use of administrative subpoenas, but DHS has used the tool against dissent protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution. Jon could not find who in the agency issued the subpoena, let alone a record of it to show an attorney.

    Days later, DHS agents showed up at Jon’s door. A naturalized U.S. citizen originally from the U.K., Jon was worried about potential violence. The agents showed him a copy of the email and asked to see his side of the story. They didn’t know about the administrative subpoena but said they received orders to interview Jon by DHS headquarters in Washington, D.C.

    Eventually, the agents agreed that Jon had committed no crimes after he told them he found Dernbach’s email address through a simple Google search. Jon secured pro bono representation by ACLU attorneys, who argue that the government is violating a statute that limits how administrative subpoenas can be used for “immigration enforcement” and that the government targeted Jon for protected speech.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Isn't an "administrative subpoena" literally just a letter from an agency that says "give us this pretty please" with no actual enforceability at all?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Subpoenas, generally speaking, do not require a signature of a judge and aren't subject to the same scrutiny as a warrant.

    Subpoenas are issued against third parties (in this case Google) to compel the release of information. Google can fight the subpoena in court, but they generally don't.

    The enforceability only comes if Google decided not to comply, at which point they could offer to sell the information to the government or a judge ruled that Google must comply.

    Again, most companies comply because they often lack the incentive to not comply.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    More fascism.

    Party of freedom?

    Remember. Everything, and I mean everything, conservatives say is a lie. Because everything fascists say is a lie.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    Don't use Gmail.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    …and that’s why I don’t host my email in the US or on US-owned servers. Fuck that!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    if you're planning to do that, do it from a ip like from a library/coffee shop and use a different device or a public computer(university, or laptop from a library

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  • [+] -35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    DHS Hunts Down Interviews 67-Year-Old U.S. Citizen...

    I'm all for publicly shaming these dummys, but seriously, let's use accurate language instead of sensationalism.

    ETA: Didn't know that disagreement made me a nazi. Good to know.

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  • [–] 50 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    It's not normal or proper for the DHS to subpoena information about citizens who express an opinion to government officials. This is transparently an action undertaken to intimidate. The language used in the headline conveys the meaning much more clearly than a "neutral" (read: complicit) phrasing would.

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  • [+] -18 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Didn't say it was normal. And, again, all for publicly shaming these dummys, but "Hunt Down" does not, in fact convey what actually happened. Words have meaning, and this headline is intentionally sensational.

    And it's apparently "complicit" to say otherwise. Noted.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    But that is exactly what happened, and it's what the article is about. "Hunt down" is an idiomatic phrase in English, and it would be not at all unusual for me to, say, hunt down a USB adapter in my office. Leaving that detail out of the headline would be burying the lede.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    look: ANY interaction with a gov is akin to being hunted. they have guns. and use them.

    CALL IT WHAT IT IS: intimidation and bullying through hunting a guy down through keyword triggers in an email.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It is using "hunt" in the digital sense. They didn't know who he was or where he lived. They had to force Google to give them his info, which they then used to find his physical address.

    Do you think he signed his email with his full name and home address?

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Do you think it takes anyone with any semblance of IT knowledge more than a few minutes to dox someone online? Much less someone using gmail? Much less a 67 year old whose email was probably John.Smith.Hometownname?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    And that is called hunting. Using specialized skills and tools to locate and approach a target in its home environment is hunting.

    You say you aren't apologizing for DHS here, but you are fighting really hard against a VERY common use of the word hunt because it makes DHS look bad.

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  • 7 comments in c/worldnews@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Pleads for asylum for a persecuted refugee

    DHS: “And I took that personally”

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    Yeah, what the actual fuck, the man was pleading for humanity. Fucking fuck the US government

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Fucking fuck the US government

    -- for the last 200 years

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Polite request to act with decency... domestic terrorist for sure.

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Long term there is a solution to this problem. Hang with me on this, what if one never used any google, nor any meta products? I know, sounds... entirely possible and really a completely good idea for a host of reasons, but do you think it would work? By the way this is also Yay Fediverse Day! I just declared it to be so, and this is 2026, so it must be true.

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