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Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft (www.theverge.com)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Software engineers at Microsoft are now expected to use both Claude Code and GitHub Copilot and give feedback comparing the two, I’m told. Microsoft sells GitHub Copilot as its AI coding tool of choice to its customers, but if these broad internal pilot programs are successful, then it’s possible the company could even eventually sell Claude Code directly to its cloud customers.

Guys? Are we going to have to rename Microsoft products from Copilot to Claude soon?

Microsoft Claude 365?

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[–] 70 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Microsoft is killing itself with shit vibe code.

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    • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Klopilot - I'm sorry I think this only works in German

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Welllll

    WC stands for Water Closet and I think Klo is short for Klosett?

    The brits also call it the 'loo' which doesn't sound too far off from 'Klo' I think

    So it's not actually that hard to infer what it means

    To be fair I did take like 6 years of Deutsch in die Schule, aber ich habe alles vergessen + I'm not entirely sure we ever learned the word "Klo". Maybe we did.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    In the most German pedantic way: "in der Schule"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Oh right, Dativ.

    My excuse is that I come from a language background with no articles, so declension on articles are unnatural to me! In fact, articles are unnatural to me!

    In Estonian, the noun cases for that word would be

    kool

    kooli

    kooli

    kooli

    koolis

    koolist

    koolile

    koolil

    koolilt

    koolini

    koolina

    koolita

    kooliga

    kooliks

    We have 14 of those so we get to skip prepositions and thus only need to decline the noun itself and any adjectives in front of it (or behind it if you're writing a poem and it flows better that way, Estonian is very weird when it comes to actually sentence ordering the words in a)

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    • [–] 50 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    We got copilot reviewing our code at work

    It mostly just finds typos and other things like that

    Quite useless at anything else

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  • [–] [S] 28 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    My girlfriend is forced to use only Copilot at her work, and its just completely useless. She frequently posts me failed tasks it couldnt do. :).

    Seems to be the worst Ai by far.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    GitHub copilot within visual studio is not bad actually, if it doesn't find anything to but typos then congrats your team is all competent senior developers...

    It does cut down review time for juniors' work, and it's capable of implementing full features given the correct documentation and instructions. It's a useful tool that assists and doesn't replace competent developers.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I don't know, that is about all Mistral can do too.

    That and python scipy is like a 50/50 for relevant code snippits.

    It had never once output compilable embedded code, even when I have tried to directly lead it there.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Seems to be the worst Ai by far.

    Which is weird because isn't ChatGPT supposed to be one of the best (least shitty)? Isn't CoPilot rebranded ChatGPT?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Like intelisence which has been doing it faster, more consistantly and offline since the mid 2000's?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    We have ours configured pretty well at this point and it does an absolute bang-up job at code review. It will point developers towards tools and utilities that our monorepo has If they appear to be reinventing the wheel. It will catch common problems and issues that we have in our instruction file, and does a pretty good job of catching bugs and small issues like typos and what not.

    Perhaps you need to tighten up your instruction file?

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    • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Like a virus you say?

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    [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Copilot sucks, that is all

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You do realize its ChatGPT underneath, yes?

    I chuckle and die a little when the CGPT bois trash Copilot, but lie, when it was nonprofit MS was funding a lot of the research so that's their backend.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I dont use openai, chatgpt was better for sure though, maybe not on a model level but on ui and ux. Copilot constantly has not checks that interrupt work. Copilot and chat gpt give different responses when interpreting excels, copilot is worse. It is the worst llm I have used.

    I use le chat, copilot is for work and rarely because it sucks so much.

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    • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Great paywall. I guess I'm not reading this article.

    And then La Verge will wonder why it can't keep readers on their website.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Try https://removepaywalls.com/. I’ve never had it fail for me.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It won't work for hard pay walls

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    What’s a hard paywall? Again, it’s has never failed me. It works fine on OP’s article. Can you show me one it doesn’t work for?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think he means a paywall that replaces the content rather than cover it. You can't bypass a paywall that replaces the content.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Honestly I had the opposite experience and never had a "paywall remover" work :/

    I also tried the weirder techniques like stopping the load of the page etc but it's not very reliable and rarely works.

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    • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    I think Microsoft, as they often do, see the writing on the wall—the AI bubble bursting soon, taking AI-only businesses with them. What I see in this is a play to, at best, buy some extra good will with Anthropic so they can be first in line for the acquisition when the latter are tanking, or at worst (and more likely imo), get them dependent on Microsoft for revenue so that they have no other choice to be subsumed by them.

    But I’ve been wrong about most economic/political predictions I’ve ever made, so we’ll see!

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    If there's any company that will survive the bubble, it's Anthropic. They're the only company with a product, a business model, and customers that see long-term value in it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I doubt Google couldn't easily kill Anthropic by expanding their Antigravity project.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Antigravity is only rarely useful in software development.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The same could be repeated verbatim for any other AI agent.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Its almost like everyone building this shit at one point in the past 5 years called themselves a "software developer" and might have a good insight as to what that job entails. Posibly why LLMs are kinda competent at the job of development, they are being built by 1000's of ex software developers.

    Probably wont be good at law or chemistry because the people building it have a felon musk level of understanding about those jobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Their product may be one of the best, but they are more expensive, and they have no hope of making enough revenue to float their business.

    MS and Google float their AI with their other profits, so it can work as a business model.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    OpenAI is the one doing 800 billion dollar deals and buying all the memory in the world

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Is there anybody left who thinks that openai is going to survive? I don't think it has 6 months of life left.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It’s a weird money circle where companies spend money they don’t have for products that don’t exist and the money just goes round and round.

    At some point someone will come asking about where the money actually is.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Lol. They made some "deals" based on hope and a dream. In reality they are still posting net losses.

    By the way, I have the very best bridge in the world to sell you. Interested?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I’m sorry if my comment came across as supporting OpenAI. That was definitely not my intention 😆

    Point was that they’re spending trillions and crashing the PC parts market and still firmly in the second place

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    • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    MS isnt' very good at isolating its experiments...

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Claude Copilot 365.

    Add yet another layer of obfuscation to their terrible products and insanely bad branding.

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    • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Meanwhile, after installing Linux on my laptop last week and getting that set up, I'm in the process of backing up data on my desktop to do the same soon.

    And what are the good non-github sites these days?

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    • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Windows 12 will be the first vibe-coded OS

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Praying windows 12 will just be the name of the Ubuntu based distro Microsoft releases after they admit their devs are too incompetent to maintain a kernel.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok, but that would shake up EVERYTHING!!! Just imagine:

    WINDOWS LINUX

    Linux development would be BREAKNECK!

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    • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    The guy from GTA 3 is writing code?

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    That's maybe the worst flex for Claude possible.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Microsoft is going to poison Claude with their shitty devs.

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    • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Microslop Claude 365 please.

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Microslop mix

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I wonder if the shift away from ChatGPT was due to their latest model using grokipedia to spew disinformation.

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