The fact that Anna's Archive isn't responding to the court tells me they couldn't give a shit about the lawsuit.
Glorious.
The fact that Anna's Archive isn't responding to the court tells me they couldn't give a shit about the lawsuit.
Glorious.
And how much of that hypothetical $13 Trillion would be shared the poor, poor artists?
When this whole thing with Lily Allen was a thing, where she got more from posting feet pic on OnlyFans than from Spotify, someone posted an article that said Spotify is paying out like 150k-200k per month just for her streams. And yet only a tiny fraction of that ends up with her. Music labels fucking suck.
Wouldn't that be somewhere along the lines of $1000 per person, if divided over every single person in the world?
Is this the music industry asking for more than all the money in the world again?
Yes, I did say again.
LINE MUST GO UP. ANY LINE ACTUALLY. WE'RE FUCKIN DESPERATE.
Well, more along the lines of 10% of all the worlds money.
... very reasonable indeed 😜
Say whatever you like. Like a tape measure, Money isn't real, Giygas. Stop trying to Rape Heidi. She'll get Mad, Pokey.
$13.000.000.000.000
Like, are we 12 now? I too would come up with these bazonker numbers at that age.
Fuck Spotify,fuck the current legal system that got us here
Are you going to tell me that investors are bumb enough not to see that nobody will ever even see a % of a % of a % of a % of a % of that number?
Friendly reminder that streaming services have negatively impacted artists and art cultivation. Headbanging while blackout drunk at a dive bar gig, without directly giving the band(s) a penny, would help them more than their semiannual Spotify payout
One of my favorite memories is inviting both my best friends and coworkers to a metal show at Saint Vitus, both groups hitting it off and making new friends, chatting with the bands at the merch table, and eating enough pizza to vomit on the sidewalk the moment I stepped outside.
If the litigants suffered these tremendous losses bc of AA, can they not deduct these losses from their taxes?
Oh, wait...
Apparently it's legal and acceptable to demand, through a court, enough money to destroy the world economy.
Seriously, if I were the judge I'd throw out the lawsuit until they come up with a remotely realistic number. As it is, it makes the whole lawsuit look like a joke.
The gratuitous vulgar nonsense of it is the point. Its LBJ slapping his cock on the desk during a serious meeting to drive home that you cant fucking stop him
The whole lawsuit is a joke.
And it should be permanently thrown out and not seen again because of how unserious that number is.
That is not how laws work or what they are for. Do not be a child.
The article says they are seeking $150K per track, which is the maximum legal amount.
And many will download just to hoard and not listen to that music ever. Like those "100 greatest hits from..." where you don't know half of them and don't like half of the ones you know.
Weird, I wasn't aware that Spotify OWNED this music. I'm fairly certain they they only license it.
I guess if I were an artist I'd look at this and feel justified suing Spotify for 1 billion dollars for the lack of protection of my music.
I assume any contracts detailing the guarantees of Spotify's DRM are clear that it's not Fail-Safe.
A hole that allowed people to download songs and one that allowed someone to download the entire collection are two different things.
we have stood with the artist community against piracy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anna's archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
over a massive music data scrape
So when are you going to sue AI companies?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anna's archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
200gb meta, 300tb music. Just 300tb not released yet. Might be, might not.
So when are you going to sue AI companies?
I think some sue suno and settle for money. And GEMA (germany) sue openai for songtext.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Anna’s archive is not giving you song downloads, but rather metadata
Were they not going to release the songs as well? They just started with the metadata?
ETA: Yes, this is from their blog post about it:
The data will be released in different stages on our Torrents page:
[X] Metadata (Dec 2025)
[ ] Music files (releasing in order of popularity)
[ ] Additional file metadata (torrent paths and checksums)
[ ] Album art
[ ] .zstdpatch files (to reconstruct original files before we added embedded metadata)
You can't sue people for something they haven't done yet. Presumably if and when the actual music files are released the damages will go up proportionally - probably to something like $(volume of the universe / Planck distance^3)
I am not sure the shareholders will accept such a meager compensation. Did you include emotional damage in your estimate?
You can't
No. Because you're meat. Not a real person with articles of incorporation and a robust legal department. Wake the fuck up.
sue companies
I don't understand. This sentence does not parse. Thats like sending an email to the legal department of my kidneys.
According to the article, $150,000 is the maximum damages allowed per track. So $150,000/track * 86,000,000 tracks is around $13 Trillion. So they are asking for the maximum that the law allows.
They could ask for infinity billion dollars for all it matters; you can't get blood from a stone.
That's about as realistic as the Russian court that fined Google for two undecillion roubles.
Spotify doesn't even have that much net worth how the hell one can steal more than that anyway? Also this isn't even stealing just a digital copy sent by spotify servers
Probably theorizing every potential peer is pulling the whole archive.
So net worth * 100.000 potential peers = $$$
Spotify doesn't even have that much net worth how the hell one can steal more than that anyway?
Because it was stolen already. By Anna's archive. Isn't that obvious!?
AI have made pirating legal, as long as you are not pirating for personal enjoyment. Isn’t that the defence the AI companies have used successfully?
At this point I must cancel my Spotify subscription. Any suggestion on how to implement a somewhat automated music discovery system that can replace Spotify's "radios" and playlists?
I already run a Navidrome instance.
Try Listenbrainz, it creates weekly discovery playlists based on your listening habits.
Try out manual music discovery, it's dope!
I'm using last.fm to scrobble my music to. It brings me the most Spotify features minus the streaming part (even has a neat playback thing which appears at the end of the year instead of at the begining of december)
How do you even sue a shadow library? Aren't they like, behind 7 proxies?
Plus, they're using the neighbour's internet!
Checkmate, spotify!
You make an effort to contact the defended and bring the lawsuit to a judge. I don't think the court will grant the 13 billions judgement, that's a fantasy number but I don't think they will throw out the lawsuit either.
Ans since Anna's Archive won't show up in court Spotify will probably receive a default judgement which they can fold and shove up their ass.
They are probably going after companies affiliated with Anna's Archive next, like especially hosting providers.
May all lawyers involved die in the most horrible way possible. Actually scratch that, May all corporate lawyers regardless of involvement die in the most horrible way possible. ☺️
Old man yells at cloud
I mean, is Anna's archive under risk even? Yeah, worst case they can get every major DNS to ban them, but that won't stop them from being accessible. And if they operate in a country that doesn't give a shit, they won't face consequences,especially if their opsec is good enough
Not to mention, things are backed up with torrents. If their servers get raided they would be able to restart where they left off
In my eyes, if you got the chance at something major like spotify's entire library, you take it.
How would they expect to collect this "money" thing? Across international borders and stuff?
Just like the Pirate Bay they will try to find and prosecute individuals behind it and then try and force governments to block the domains. Which they did, all of those guys spent trivial prison sentences (this was early internet and in Sweden, circumstances are not the same anymore), and TPB was down for like... A year I think, before it popped right back up and is going just as strong as it ever did. Because just like these capitalist laws to protect the technofeudal class evolve to protect them, so does the methods by which creative hackers employ tech to fuck them in the ass.
Hydrabay 4 lyfe
I’ve honestly been trying to figure out this move for weeks. What was the point of grabbing it ALL when it’s so easy to rip whatever you want with some of the tools? Was it just a big “F you”? And peace - that’s a reason :) In that case they could care less what they get sued for. But to me it seems like unnecessarily whacking at the hornets nest. I hope it doesn’t bite them in the arse someday.
Yeah, as ridiculous as the record labels are – their reaction is exactly what one would expect after such a high profile move.
I mean i don't think spotify is easily rippable with any tool. So it was an immediate chance to get them all. Also annas archive is all about storing and preserving thoose files. It is useful when a song gets removed from spotify or something
Could make it possible to just spin up russian-spotify with a new color theme and all the data.
Is this why the Spotify section on their torrent page says "Unavailable until further notice."?
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