gen-z-culture-is on Tumblr, "According To A Survey, Gen Z Is More Likely To Recognise Sonic The Hedgehog Than Shakespeare". justlgbtthings replies "well yeah how is shakespeare gonna recognize a blue hedgehog when he's dead". They then reply to themself "i have misunderstood the post".

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[+] 41 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Is it common to remember faces of long dead people?

    And they all had a wig back then anyway.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    They are also less likely to recognise Julius Caesar. And guess what - they both dead and not exactly on the top of the news.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Getting a time machine so I can catch Shakespeare up on 35 years of Sonic lore so he can write 16 different kinds of fire ass plays of varying genres.

    Looking forward to Shadow soliloquies

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    This isn't even about Shakspear's plays, it's about his physical appearance.

    Not exactly a useful metric.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Romeo: O, let us hence; I gotta go fast.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Shakespeare doesn't even recognize a Sega Genesis, even though it does what Nintendon't!

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Sonic is designed to be highly recognisable and interacting with Sonic media necessary means you see Sonic a whole lot, even seeing just a few adverts for the franchise is already enough to make you remember it. Shakespeare's looks are known only on the basis of a couple of portraits, most of which are probably not even based on Shakespeare's looks directly, and they're all completely irrelevant for interacting with Shakespeare's work.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    And considering there has been debate for years if Shakespeare was real....

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Wait, this is about physical appearance?

    Shakespeare comes from a time before cameras, obviously. But, not only that, there were no portraits of him painted in his lifetime. And to add to the confusion, there were no physical descriptions made of him during his lifetime. The only information we have on what he looked like come from about a decade after his death. One is an engraving, the other is a (IMO) low quality bust from his funerary monument. In addition, Shakespeare is such a generic-looking guy of his time that there are portraits of other people that were misidentified as being portraits of Shakespeare because they feature slim white guys with goatees in a ruffle collar.

    Compare that to Sonic. He's a character that was designed to stand out visually, and one where the company that makes Sonic games is still, to this day, generating new media with photos and videos of him.

    So, if an actual portrait of Shakespeare were discovered and shown to Shakespeare experts, I think even then there's a decent chance they'd more easily recognize Sonic. After all, a "Shakespeare expert" isn't an expert on what he looked like. They're an expert on his writing.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Needs must I hie with great haste!

    Gotta go fast

    Which is more recognizable 🤔

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That is my one GenX/Millenial complaint. We used to have a common literary background up until just into 2000, at least in the US. We all read Shakespeare and Chaucer. Beowulf, The Grapes of Wrath, Of Mice and Men, The Diary of Anne Frank, The Great Gatsby, To Kill a Mockingbird. We all had a similar base to start from.

    Then I saw a short on YouTube where a 40 something man said to his wife "No, sir. I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I bite my thumb, sir." So many comments of people being totally lost as his statement seemed out of nowhere and when people read explanations they still didn't get it. It perfectly fit the situation AND it was not scripted as the wife was trying to show him being an ass (in a teasing way).

    Do you know what a Catch-22 is? If not then you are missing common phrases you would have learned in english class had you attended up to the year 2000.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I am Cinna the Poet!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I think a lot of people would change their minds about Shakespeare if you explain some of the dirty jokes to them.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    considering that shakespear's plays were written in early modern English- which is basically an entirely different language than we speak today... the vast majoriity of people alive today would never actually recognize one.

    A translation of one, sure. but nope. they probably wouldn't even understand it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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    That’s my point.

    That’s not Early Modern English. Confusingly, Earky Modern is a precursor to the language we speak today.

    It’s close enough a language that we can kinda muddle through it, we can translate it and most will never realize they did more than change some spelling, but most people have still never see it performed in the original- mostly because we would be muddling through missing things

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Shakespeare gotta improve his inflation game.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Shakespeare the hedgehog

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    To be fair, overhyped bawdy plays from hundreds of years ago are boring AF nowadays.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No they aren't. They're the baseline for a superabundance of modern cinema and theater.

    Romeo x Juliet is the cornerstone of a thousand romance novels and heist thrillers. Hamlet is the backbone of modern horror. Julius Caeser is every political drama. The Tempest, every disaster movie. Comic books draw on them. Musically draw on them.

    Every graduate of Julliard has performed in a dozen Shakespeare plays. Every British comedian can recite a few works by heart. The periodic remake still consistently fills theaters.

    Shakespeare is the most playgerized man in history.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Its not like those are all original ideas though. Romeo and Juliet is the poem "The tragical history of Romeus and Juliet" just tweaked into a play.

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  • [+] -9 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    And that's good.

    It would be time to stop with this stupid cult of personality that never brings anything other than fascism and sects.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    But corporate mascots designed to maximise franchise profitability are so much better?

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, yes they are. Because it's much less likely that people will use Sonic as a national symbol of cultural superiority.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    I'm not seeing how the Shakespeare > fascism pipeline is supposed to work here, much less how it's a greater threat than "megacorps controlling culture" > fascism

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Cult of personality -> fascism

    Shakespeare for example has been a very typical symbol of british "pride" which is one of the main roots of fascism.

    But yeah, sure, it's not the worst one. The problem here is this fascination that people have for historical figures, where it doesn't matter whether you know the work of Shakespeare, what matters is that you know him and how he looks, as the post shows.

    Why do you think Trump supporters have no clue what he actually did does ? They don't care because they follow the person, not the act.

    When you start worshipping people, you never end up in a good place.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You can appreciate art without worshipping anyone. In fact, a deeper understanding of art will also teach you about the flaws and the humanity of the creators. Also, the best defence against fascism is education, which art is an indispensable part of.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but this isn't what the post is about.

    Here it's about knowing who Shakespeare is, and actually even worse, knowing how he looked.

    There's no mention of Hamlet or Macbeth, there's no mention of art in any kind, to the point where the artist is being compared to a character (ultimately, art).

    People don't give a crap about the art of Shakespeare, they just have to know him because he's famous and supposedly a genius or whatever, so you need to know his name and his face. There's no art in that, and no education either because knowing the name and face of a dead guy never brought any form of knowledge.

    Shakespeare isn't an artist. He is an icon, a holy figure, an absolute reference that became close to a deity in people's perception, similar Mozart, Einstein, etc. Heck, how many people know Einstein and his face, compared to how many know his works?

    This is where fascism hides. If you can consider anyone to be godlike without even knowing what they did, it's easy for you to do the same with a Hitler or a Trump. You believe blindly because it is a cult of personality.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    That seems like an awfully broad application of the term "cult of personality". Usually that term implies the personality in question influencing people's actions either with or similarly to political power. People just think that Shakespeare made excellent plays and poems

    I also don't think it's reasonable to say that people are only enamoured with the idea of him as an exceptional writer that is English when there is still widespread study and performance of his work; people are clearly still engaging with the actual work, not just the image of him

    But yeah, sure, it's not the worst one

    Okay but you explicitly said "good" not to a post about people not recognising Shakespeare, but one about more people recognising Sonic than Shakespeare

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