LinkedIn post that says 1 engineer with Claude code is better than 4, so one should not hire 4 engineers.

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[–] 65 points 9 months ago (6 children)

My sister-in-law is a software engineer and project manager. This isn't groundbreaking news or anything but she said that her engineers are using generative AI like this. The problem is that it created exceedingly inefficient and bloated code that barely works. En masse it will bog down systems due to the exponential inefficiencies.

It's fine. Everything is fine.

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  • [–] 127 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Hahahaha this idiot thinks that it's the speed of our typing that ships code faster. He's in a knowledge shortage.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I’ve found that the people who understand these “agents” the least are the ones who are promoting them the most.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This. 

    They’re incredibly useful, but you have to treat their output as disposable and untrustworthy. They’re reinforcement trained to generate a solution, regardless of if it’s right, because it’s impossible to AI evaluate that these solutions are correct at scale.

    If you’re writing some core code: you can use an agent to review it, refactor parts, stump the original version, infill methods, and to run your test/benchmark scripts. 

    but you still have to manage it, edit it, make sure it’s not recreating the same code in 6 existing modules, generating faked tests, etc. 


    As an example this week on my side project I had Claude Opus write some benchmarks. Total throwaway code.

    It actually took my input files, generated a static binary payload from it using numpy, and loaded that into my app’s memory (on its own that’s really cool), then it ran my one function and declared the whole system 100x faster than comparable libraries that parse the original data. Not a fair test at all, nor was it a useful test.

    You cannot trust this software. 

    You’ll see these games metrics, gamed tests, duplicate parallel implementations, etc. 

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  • [–] 48 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    "The new skill isn't typing faster".

    Since I added a second keyboard I am programming twice as fast and don't even need AI!

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    We pair-code on the same keyboard for maximum efficiency.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    You should quad-code on two keyboards, really pump up those LOC stats.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Are you guys using your feet yet? That’s how I run 4 keyboards. 

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I use 5. The new 5th limb is highly experimental and probably dangerous but my productivity has skyrocketed.

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Stop hiring 20 managers. Hire 1 manager and have them in meetings all day so real work can be done.

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  • [+] 32 points 9 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    The 1st major project in my first coding job made me understand technical debt even though I didn't know the name of it.
    I suppose there are some people that just see spaghetti code and their only thought is to add more spaghetti code. Thankfully I also understood spaghetti code with my project in uni.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Nah, we need to optimize the spaghetti code with an n8n optimization pipeline for more spaghetti, lets make sure to build a new library for eache seperate function call. Once the function has run we'll tear down that library and build the next, if it errors out that's fine, we can just have the GPT hallucinate another library and call that into the function. It's fungible OOP all the way down. Infinite code is infinite tech debt, I call that job security.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It’s not negative that nobody understands the spaghetti code, it’s advanced optimized code that mere mortals can’t comprehend, and marketing can sell that.

    Don’t forget to bill by the hour to clients for bug fixes. 

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This guy speaks "solutions architect"

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Oh man the worst guy I ever worked with got hired to be a solutions architect.

    I was so happy he left. He'd always just say yes to whatever we were asked, even if it was literally impossible. Then he'd fuck off and leave me to deal with actually doing the project and would just throw some wrong advice at me and spend the rest of the day browsing the internet at his desk.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    One of our devs came to me with an LLM rewrite of some parts of our automation. Even at first glance you could see a lot was missed, the refactor simply wasn't going to work in that state and critical migration logic just wasn't present.

    I binned the branch and did the refactor myself, as it would have taken more time to figure out the damage caused than just starting over.

    So glad we now pay premium prices for RAM and non-volatile storage, just so some LLM can vomit up a reheated turd.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    and that's the fucking crux of it right there, the damage. Any code base without someone smart enough to throw this trash out is going to take forever to fix or might just be too far gone to save

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Last week, curious what would be generated, told Cursor (with Claude Opus 4.5) to create an animated LED strip effect for an ESP32 device in C. Pretty simple stuff. It thinks for a long time. Creates a ton of scaffolding, docs, step-by-step agentic checklists, even a Makefile to build and deploy the binary. It then says: "Done."

    I go compile it. Lots of errors. I paste over the logs and ask it what's wrong. Claude thinks for a while longer, then goes:

    "I see the issue - I only created the header file but never completed the LED manager implementation. Let me check what's there and finish the implementation."

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Could you try something else and when it says it's done, ask it to check for errors first? Just curious, and not a programmer.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It said it had. Obviously, a fabrication. Even after it said it implemented it, it took a couple more hours of coaxing it and pointing whst should be done before it actually worked.

    Point is, one shouldn't go near these LLMs for coding unless they know what to do and how to look for problems.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    man does this dude think the hardest part about writing a book is fucking typing it out? someone give this dork a swirly

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Do people actually use agents for production code? I feel like it is one of those things that people don't use but is sold to us that everyone uses. A lie to promote bullshit.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have an engineer that uses it heavily.

    It adds so much extra and he'll push thousands of lines of code into a PR every week. He had one bug and tried to refactor it, he bloated that single file by 16%.

    It's almost impossible to review.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    It adds so much extra and he'll push thousands of lines of code into a PR every week.

    This is just a waste of the reviewer's own time that could be better spent doing actual work. Is it at least split up into multiple commits, or is it one giant shitshow?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yea…..but how may developers are you going to have to pay to maintain that shit?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Fun story!

    The CEO was charmed by some AI vibe dude who

    1. Absolutely ripped into multiple software departments about our "shit code"
    2. Bragged that he could do it faster and better with AI

    CEO gave him a three month trial run to show it.

    AI vibe dude spent the first two weeks showing off all this cool new frontend to managers. Nothing actually worked. They gave him a round of feedback.

    Then he spent another two weeks struggling to meet the feedback.

    Nobody in the tech department wanted to help him because he came in shit talking.

    They ended the trial because the AI Vibe coder dude couldn't handle system changes, how to fix bugs, implementing new feature requests without breaking old stuff, and didn't have any real coding skills. He barely lasted a month.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The first half of this story made me wonder if we were colleagues.

    The second half was different though. Our guy was a personal friend of some high up, slandered the existing codebase without so much as even speaking to the existing devteam, and then took the better part of a year claiming he could replace the entire decade old codebase while making vague promises that it was coming soon. Meanwhile upper management was taking the slander seriously, punished my department and got a new manager for it. It wasnt until the new manager outed him as a fraud for his ass to finally get caught.

    I doubt he was able to read the legacy codebase at all.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    "We're not in X, we're in Y"

    squints suspiciously

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    There isn't a talent shortage, there's a shortage of people who will take your shit at sub-par wages working two + jobs at your company.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Prompt: "write a python script to create a thousand linkedin accounts with plausible sounding names, and then setup a cronjob to post every day a punchy linkedin just-so story explaining why everyone should be paying for my LLM and to keep paying for it when I jack up the price 100x to cover my expenses"

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    I hate LinkedIn and all the fuck holes on it so god damn bad

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Techbros calculate programming skills by lines of code per shift.

    It only makes sense that they would think "10x engineer" just means "types 10 times as fast."

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    3 months later they rehired all of those four engineers to fix all that bullshit useless code.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Ah yes one of those bootlicking linkedin lunatics

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Don't worry. All the code has been thoroughly tested. By Claude.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Nothing can go wrong with that plan

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Thought we were on !linkedinlunatics@sh.itjust.works for a moment.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    guy in the business of vibe coding hypes up vibe coding

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's going to be so much awful slop code everywhere in the future.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    "Talent utilization crisis"

    "Hire 1 engineer instead of 4"

    Yes

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think my management is decent about receiving feedback, but are also very into AI utilization right now. I’m not sure what level of feedback to give, because I do feel being too obstinate and negative would mark me, and with my adhd I often dont have a good read on where that line is. But I’d love to press them on where it will stop being worth it to keep pushing it? When the venture capital dries up? Climate/local data center regulations finally get implemented? Because those will all drive token cost up by a lot

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I’ve learned they don’t actually understand either your craft pr the AI, but the AI is very convincing and more people in high places just go “sure, that validates my preconceived notions”

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    This was definitely written with AI.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I’m getting ready to take over an org that’s doing this. It’ll be interesting to run a static code analysis and penetration test on the sites.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    What a delusional sack of shit. lol

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