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[–] 156 points 9 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 103 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I dearly hope she takes Miller with her somehow

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    She does seem like the "I'm taking you down with me" type, doesn't she?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wish too but that website has AI generated investment scams all over the bottom of it. I’m hesitating to believe this.

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  • [–] 108 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I mean… she’s not completely wrong, but she could have, you know, not have followed fascist orders too. All on them need to be held accountable

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Agreed. “I was just following orders” has pretty famously been eliminated as a credible defense.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Except the Trials where that precedent was supposedly established actually allowed a great many people to escape conviction using that exact defense, then the prosecution subsequently gave up on the trials altogether. The Nuremberg trials were a travesty of justice, not because the Allies set up kangaroo courts, but because in an attempt to avoid such accusations and through unbelievable prosecutorial incompetence they let almost every Nazi who was still alive run free.

    What I'm getting at is, don't expect justice to magically administer itself.

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  • [–] 74 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Following orders does not make you innocent.

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    [–] 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    "I was following orders" is not a defense to committing a crime.

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  • [+] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Well that's the wonderful thing about being a cult leader. You're the only one who can solve the problem. So you get whatever you want, you get all the credit when things go well, and when everything goes wrong... you become everyone's scapegoat. It's not a valid excuse, but it is human psychology.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Kristi's braincell: don't say you were just following orders, don't say you were just following orders...

    "It was Stephen!"

    Kristi's braincell: nice 😎

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago
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    Y'all really don't understand that this headline is tailored for you.

    In Noem's mind, this says "Kristi Noem Credits Her Actions to Trump and Stephen Miller."

    She's running to the MAGA safehouse. This isn't "I was following orders." This is "I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!"

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Ah, but she just sinned against Trump. She said something that can be interpreted as blaming Trump. That's a big no no to a narcissist.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You can only see it this way if you're on the receiving end of a left-oriented headline. Your perspective is fueled by clickbait. Trump's perspective is still mafia mentality.

    Trump's already publicly defended her on Fox News, and I can't tell if a throwaway quote on Axios or Trump standing in a Golden Corral or whatever the fuck it is, giving an interview about how she's "done it all" happened first - it's a matter of hours. Point is, she is loyal AF and she is his last line of defense on everything DHS does. He needs her now more than ever and she's survived much worse several times over already. She's the shield he uses for everything - and he's positioning himself that way for a long-term benefit to him. Bovnio was always disposable because he's not in the money club. Noem is, and she's young enough to have a career after all this if our timeline gets worse. Even if she gets impeached.

    Trump can't play Noem out until it's worth it to him, and it's no where near that yet. Bovino was the cost already, and no one liked him on the right anyway. Plus he flew too close to the sun, and THAT was the sin to a narcissist, to think he could play at the same level. His job was as a shield for Noem, full stop. Homan is next up until he installs the next public-facing nazi cosplayer and goes to Maine to also be the fodder for the next round. Trump hates LEOs and the military until he needs them, and so they're the disposable ones to him.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I get what you mean, but just now Trump is distancing himself from the negative perception of the ICE murders, so it might be a bad time for her to point the ownership at him.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Except Stephen Miller explicitly said they were doing it wrong and they were looking into why things were being done incorrectly...

    It seems like they are spinning into it is being done wrong but it's their fault, maybe up to and including Noem....

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I agree with you, this is her intent. But Trump and Steven will throw her under the bus to give the people a culprit and then keep doing everything they've been doing. This is why they sent Bovino home and replaced him with Homan.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Never. Or....not never, but not until it's really worth it. Noem absorbs flak for Trump, Bovino absorbed it for Noem. Homan is just Senior Manager playing Middle Manager until they get some new idiot in there to do the job and absorb flak for both of them.

    Homan knows enough to stay in DC and out of the way of televised action. He's been an appointee for 22 years. He's not stupid, he's not a MAGA appointee chud, and he's not naive. He knows the politics of his job and knows that as an Obama-era appointee, even if he looks like he slipped up, he's out with that mark on his record to blame. He might be loyal, but he can never live down that original sin and so he goes on TV to slur his way through a Meet the Press interview and defend Trump to extend his worth one more week at a time.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Agreed -- they do seem to have a higher bar in 2.0 for the level of absurdity they can get away with without tossing acolytes under the bus.

    Interesting about Homan, I haven't been following for that long. Didn't realize his history.

    And I guess the real point is that this article is meaningless because even if she does go away, it doesn't matter. They're still going to keep doing what they are doing. We haven't won yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    “I was given orders, and look at how perfectly I followed them!”

    You can't run to MAGA if you blame Trump for anything, they won't accept it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's extremely inconsequential for all of them to just blame the person that's least likely to face justice for any crimes, so it seems even that was a calculated fold, even if it folded like a cheap suit.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    There's that word again. "Blame" is a word that includes judgement imposed on you by the medium. Judgement is 100% absent from how Trump will get the information, and he absolutely does not care about what someone else says about someone else because he's a narcissist. They will gladly all say "Oh, I dunno...ask the other person..." until the news cycle ends and this whole Iran invasion happens.

    FFS, if Kash Patel is still in with these people, and Noem is displaying solid gold loyalty, this will blow over in a day or two. Really. Set a reminder on your phone for a week from now, or two weeks, and either give me a solid " I told you so" or not.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Welp, we won't be seeing her much longer.

    Guess she'll have to fall back on her hobby of shooting puppies in the face.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    "I was only following orders," said the Nazi

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "They said they liked it. They said I looked hot 🥺"

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Im with you. I've literally seen more attractive blow up dolls. She's mutilated her face.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Isla, She Wolf of the SS, is going to find out the hard way the bimbos are the first to get thrown under the bus in that party.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    And here I was just naively blaming all three of them

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    This isn't her trying to excuse or justify her actions because she senses some looming consequence, this is her reiterating her loyalty to trump and the cause in the face of outside criticism.

    edit: Also maybe push Miller under the bus, the reporting on this is kinda weird. Axios says there's calls for her resignation, MSN says there's calls for Miller to face censure... not actually sure what's true with this one

    edit 2: much better article that explains the situation from Atlanta Black Star

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    Fuck this dog Killing bitch

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    yeah... she is a goner

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Guys….guys…..are the leopards eating the faces?????

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    This is a yes-and moment. I thought it was silly that momentum was building around impeaching noem when what we clearly and obviously need to do is remove Trump. So, yes-and. Yes, impeach noem, AND remove Trump.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Minneapolis Trials for these Nazis

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    She couldn't make the announcement until she found a perfect costume with a sexy hat.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you're an adult who has been put in charge of an entire government department, you should take responsibility for your actions

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Hey all, I really want this to be true but let’s keep it above board. that site you just listed has a lot of scam sites linked at the bottom with AI slop trying to prey on vulnerable people to invest in vymnex/linkbait scams.

    I hate what the right are doing too but we can remain to strive better than this. Don’t dive to this level.

    Fight better.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    PeeWee Himmler is a student of Nazi Germany, and expected that Americans would fold up like Germans still recovering from WW1. He thought that murdering a few people in the streets would intimidate the entire country into staying in their houses. He doesn't understand that Americans grow up hearing fables of Revolutionaries whooping the most powerful army in the world.

    Americans don't get intimidated, they get angrier, and eventually they get ferocious.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tbh a big portion is that we have nearly live coverage from a million different angles. Without that the newspapers would have said he was a domestic terrorist and we would have had no further information.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Valid.

    It's hard to convince us when we have footage from every angle, which is the reason for all these "auditors" with cameras, and also the reason that ICE Apes consider cameras almost as dangerous as guns.

    Minnesota is complaining that they can't prosecute the killers without the evidence that DHS stole, but it seems to me that all the evidence they require is the many videos of each incident. Just play those for the jury, and they'll convict.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    And then we take a song you wrote to mock us and sing it as a celebration of that time we kicked your ass.

    The club of those who beat us includes only three members, two of which were proxy wars we ultimately weren't willing to commit to. Not exactly a record that screams "easy target"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Who are the 3 countries? Canada, Vietnam, Afghanistan, ottoman empire, or cuba? Im sure there's more that's just off the top of my head.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I'm not familiar with the Ottoman case. Cuba ig I see an argument for. It didn't occur to me because the Bay of Pigs isn't usually thought of as a war and it mostly wasn't us on the ground. In any case, it was such a slap dash affair that it only makes my argument stronger

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    A ruler who hides behind paid executioners soon forgets what death is.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Perhaps her tongue should be cut out to verify that

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    In Trump's administration the buck just keeps getting passed until the next news cycle.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    These people are idiots

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And there we have it folks, the loyalty of MAGA in all its glory.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Crying. He says... She says to me. She says.

    Hold on, they reversed Alzheimer's on a mouse! Find me that f##@#@@ mouse! I'm gonna eat that mouse!

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I’m glad that when she goes down, she’s going to drag them to hell with her.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    giuliani was a forerunner

    how could they not see their fates ?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Blaming the Chomo-in-Chief?

    Well, I guess she can forget about that pardon.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I want Miller out. I hope this happens but Trump likes him so…

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Ask the people at the Nürnberg trials how that went for them

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Unfortunately that excuse will not hold up.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Hundreds of Nazi's used the same defense. They were hanged shortly thereafter.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    read more.

    barely 12 Nazis were killed at Nuremberg, 10 were hung.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    In five-and-a-half years, Landsberg Prison was the place of execution of 252 condemned war criminals, all of them by hanging.[4] Executions were carried out expeditiously. In May 1946, 28 former SS guards from Dachau were hanged within a four-day period.[5] Bodies that were not claimed were buried in unmarked graves in the cemetery next to the Spöttingen chapel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsberg_Prison

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