While immigration officers support the Trump administration’s goal of deporting undocumented migrants, many of them have grown ‘disillusioned’ with leadership’s tactics, according to reports

Morale is “plummeting” among federal law enforcement officers tasked with carrying out the Trump administration’s aggressive anti-immigration operation, as they complained that long hours, ambitious arrest quotas and hatred from the public, according to reports.

While officers at Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol, overseen by the Department of Homeland Security, said they supported the administration’s goal of deporting undocumented migrants, many of them have grown “disillusioned” with the tactics being implemented by leadership.

More than 20 current and former immigration officials told The New York Times of their discontent in the hours following the fatal shooting of 37-year-old nurse Alex Pretti by a federal agent in Minneapolis.

It was the second deadly shooting of a U.S. citizen carried out by a federal agent in weeks, as officers clashed with protesters following intense public anger over the violence in Minneapolis.

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[–] 351 points 9 months ago (29 children)

Then they should quit. Problem solved.

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  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Them quitting is a good first step but wont solve the underlying issue. ICE recruited Nazis. They will be Nazis with or without ICE.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The Nazis are not the ones with the moral morale problems, I'm sure. They are all walking around at half-mast over the hate they are receiving and the atrocities they are committing.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    To be precise, the Nazis do have plenty of moral problems. They're not the ones with morale problems.

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  • [–] 168 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    Unionize and demand better working conditions, like lower quotas, only criminal record targets, proper long training, and 32-hour work weeks. Strike to get it. Get fired in the process. 😂

    E: Learn radical left ideology in the process.

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  • [–] 109 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    The Border Patrol officers are literally in the same union as the nurse they shot in Minneapolis.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    But that's not why they joined ICE. They are there explicitly to terrorize and kill people, and to feel like the masculine versions of themselves they are too weak to actually be.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I don’t know if this is true, but the employment contracts supposedly have a repayment clause. So the assumption is many people are financially unable to quit once they are hired.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    My wife told me about some lefty podcast she listens to where the host was recruited by them and went through the process just to take a peek behind the curtain. Apparently the 5-year repayment thing is real, at least going by the contract they gave her.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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    It's a unique ice thing. I've heard they are paid a bonus and are on the hook to give it back if they don't work 5 years. Ofc they could just not spend it but assuming they did they owe the government money if they quit.

    I don't care though, they are murdering people in the streets

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I’ve never heard of this before but it is a real thing. I would chock this up to the Administration not wanting to really pay anyone… thus trying to ensure they don’t get massive numbers quitting.

    Also, anyone notice that all the people working for DHS during all of this that media has captured in public are men? Is that by design or do women have better morality?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They all got massive sign-on bonuses. If they quite before 5 years they have to pay 10k per year they left early.

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  • [–] 293 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Oh, we don’t just hate you, ICE agents, we want you in prison for the rest of your lives at the very least. Or publicly hanged like the Nazis you are.

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  • [–] 65 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Content Warning: Photo of dead Nazis.

    Mmhmm, you love to see it.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Oh, upside down? I'm all for a humiliating public execution.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    The morning after Benito Mussolini’s death, partisans dumped his corpse in Milan, and an angry crowd soon converged. The mob kicked, spat at, and urinated on the body of “Il Duce” while shouting curses at the dead dictator. His mutilated corpse was then hung upside down from a gas station, a symbolic retribution for the suffering he had caused.

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    Their bodies were left in a heap, and by 9:00 a.m. a considerable crowd had gathered. The corpses were pelted with vegetables, spat at, urinated on, shot at and kicked; Mussolini's face was disfigured by beatings.[53][54] Allied forces began arriving in the city during the course of the morning and an American eyewitness described the crowd as "sinister, depraved, out of control".[54] After a while, the bodies were hung by their feet from the metal girder framework of a half-built service station.[53][54][55] This mode of hanging had been used in northern Italy since medieval times to stress the "infamy" of the hanged. However, the reason given by those involved in hanging Mussolini and the others in this way was to protect the bodies from the mob. Movie footage of what happened appears to confirm that to be the case.[56]

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  • [–] 128 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    In 10 years, these assholes are going to hope nobody in their new neighborhood finds out they worked for ICE under Trump, or else they'll have to move again.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Speaking of, did anything happen to that list of agents? Are people finding their neighbors on it?

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure that's how they found the pastor of that church was an ice supervisor

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    A lot of people who fall into these bigoted extreme mindsets in my experience get there because they are surrounded by people who are only slightly less bigoted. So while Jerry may be yelling the n word at black people, when the black people aren't in the room, half of the rest of the room starts using the same terminology.

    I've stopped going to specific places here Tennessee because that's how many people were acting.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    The lot of them should definitely not be allowed to work in any public service role ever again. Thats after they are released from prison and put on a mandatory reporting violent offender list.

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  • [–] 125 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Morale is plummeting among ICE agents

    I'd like to know how this compares to the morale crisis reported about 6 months back. Is it consistent or has it gotten even worse.

    as they complained that long hours, ambitious arrest quotas and hatred from the public

    Total lack of empathy. Their complaints are all about the impact on them. "We work too long, too hard, and without proper recognition". No thoughts given to the cruelty that they release into the world.

    many of them have grown “disillusioned” with the tactics being implemented by leadership

    Is it just the actions of leadership that bother them and not their own actions? Is their complaint not that they are murdering, harassing and unlawfully targeting the most vulnerable among us (children, elderly sick, etc) because they don't like the color of their skin? What changes are they hoping to see? Parades that celebrate their cruelty? Pizza parties for the team with the youngest person disappeared? An Amazon gift card for the most laws ignored in a month?

    “It’s completely unfair to the agents who have been put in this position,” he added. “There’s only so much they can handle before bad things start to happen.”

    Nope. It is completely fair. They are 100% responsible for their own actions. The agents are the ones committing these acts. They can refuse illegal orders, they can resign, they can obstruct, they can be whistleblowers.

    "The violence and dehumanization of these men and women who are simply enforcing the law must stop."

    Aaah, so close. They almost had a moment of recognition.

    “All of the sources support the mass deportation agenda, but have serious hesitations about the way it is being carried out and the messaging that comes with it,” ... “Many of the sources have expressed frustration that ICE is routinely blamed for the actions of Border Patrol, a completely separate agency.”

    Again with the complete lack of personal responsibility or awareness of the consequences of their own actions

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    “The violence and dehumanization of these men and women who are simply enforcing the law must stop.”

    Unbelievable.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    this is the propaganda machine at work. this is what the moral apathy of a man turned empty vessel. this is the banality of evil. it has been with us for decades, even centuries. this form of evil is common many places.

    it is, unfortunately, extremely believable

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    Total lack of empathy.

    It is my unfounded, unsubstantiated belief that this is the biggest reason why ICE was chosen for the gestapo-like role they have now. If you take every last department with manpower and guns, the role of "disrupting and upending the lives of otherwise peaceful people" is far and away the one responsibility that differentiates it from all other roles. Like working in an abattoir, empathy just gets in the way of processing illegal immigrants for deportation. A total lack of empathy was a job requirement before all this kicked off. We shouldn't be surprised that this is what we're up against.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    "The violence and dehumanization of these men and women who are simply enforcing the law must stop."

    simply enforcing the law

    That's going to be the "I was only following orders" of the American Nuremburg Trials.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Sounds like a bunch are just covering their asses with the "just following orders" line. Look, you can follow orders, ones you may not even be privy to even being lawful (I'd imagine there might be assumptions made in a few scenarios), but the moment you learn a warrant wasn't signed, or that excessive force is used, etc. You are now culpable and an accomplice to a crime. I can watch a friend a rob a bank, but if I do nothing, even if I'm told to be quiet about it, I will be tried for that crime as well.

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    Oh no, ICE is sad that everybody hates them for murdering people in the streets and putting kids in concentration camps :( Guys you're being really mean.

    How about you grow a spine and quit? Oh wait, if you had a spine you never would have joined.

    Get prepared for "low morale" the rest of your lives motherfuckers. You'll never outrun the shame and hate, traitors. I hope you never find peace.

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago

    Good. These people should become complete pariahs of society, shunned at every possible point of interaction. Long after they resign, even. I hope peoples' memories aren't too short.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_of_Nazi_collaborators

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago

    This reminds me of the story of the IDF soldier who couldn't eat meat anymore because he crushed too many Palestinians under the bulldozer he was driving.

    I don't feel bad for any of these fuckers and I hope it gets worse for them.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago

    They have to realize that eventually people are going to start fighting back, too, and their leadership don't give a fuck about them. They're a means to an end, and that end is getting people to riot so Trump can declare it an insurrection. If they think they fear for their lives now, wait til people start responding with actual force, not the imaginary threats they complain about.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No one cares. We all hate you. Get fucked, brown shirts.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago

    To quote an ICE officer after the execution of a citizen peacefully protesting, "Boo hoo".

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Awww...how sad...their Morale is plummeting. Boo fuckin' hoo.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago

    Aww, poor nazis don't like being hated.

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    won't someone PLEASE think of the gestapo!

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wait until they inevitably face actual consequences, then you'll really see their morale drop.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    None of those guys could get real jobs, and there isn't that much demand for mall cops.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Who would have thought Amazon caused all this by killing brick and mortar stores and malls, thus creating the mall cop to ICE pipeline.

    All this time I thought it was caused by Amazon dumping money into the Trump administration. Completely different.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So when do we get the movie about how invading Minneapolis made the ICE agents sad?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    And are they gonna make it loke a Vietnam veteran flick from the 80s? Except have them opening fire onto people holding milkshakes or something? Or maybe edit it to make it like they were under heavy machine gun fire and took massive casualties while their humane and PC leader from afar told them not to do anything before they went 'fuck it! Enough with this woke shit!' And returned fire after half their unit was dead?

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    Quotas ಠ_ಠ

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Boo fucking hoo, we're coming for you.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago

    And yet they're still there, murdering innocent American citizens.

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    They love it, it's the best job they ever had. They get to do what they've always wanted--have power over people, order them around, and beat the shit out of them as much as they want, knowing they won't be held accountable.

    Anyone that statement doesn't apply to, has either quit already or never considered taking a job like that in the first place.

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    Sorry, I lost the world's smallest violin. This is the best I can do: 🖕

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "Waaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaahh! I'm an ICE Agent, and I feel bad! Waaaaaaahhh!!! I'm an ICE Agent, and nobody likes me! Waaaaaahh! Waaaaaaahh!"

    Go eat curb, Fascist goons.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    Who would have thought that people would not love pedophile protectors and murderers terrorizing Americans.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    Awwwww the poor gestapo has their feelings hurt? The moral is low after shooting nonviolent protesting citizens? They feel bad for racially profiling off duty cops? They are in the dumps because the public hates that they are taking away civil liberties and constitutional rights? Then fucking quit, cross the line and take a stand. Maybe you won’t be on trial once the dust settles and the Nuremberg trials II electric boogaloo start.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    Hang like the Nazis you are, and the morale will improve

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